April 24, 2003 at 6:42 am #1415
“War. It’s fantastic.” – Hot Shots Part Deux
I didn’t mean it was extremely controversial, I just meant that it’s the first brickfilm (that I’ve seen) that has touched on issues like this before. I’m glad it won’t give us bad publicity like sex or drugs in a brickfilm could, but I do think we may start getting random *expletive deleted* to come in here and start some political debate. Basically what yolegoman was saying (I don’t understand his point either ;)), but maybe a bit more extreme.
EDIT: And just to be a bit more clear, I think almost every brickfilm that touches on a new subject is considered controversial by some people. Mainly because normal folks aren’t used to seeing more mature themes being portrayed by kids’ toys. Hell, even Hali’s Good Company may be seen as controversial from some people. Or even Jared’s Dinopoop movie.
Cometgreen, who just had to bring up DinopoopApril 24, 2003 at 8:14 am #1418
I’ll go along with that, Cometgreen.
I’m still not ready to discuss the dinosaur movie, though.April 24, 2003 at 11:34 am #1420
“Jason” wrote: Bluntman, I’m not even sure what to say … are you SERIOUSLY suggesting I can’t make a pinned topic wherever I want in my own forum that I own?
I’m not even sure where to begin, buddy.
what is it about me that makes people miss my point?
no, buddy (you seem to love to use that word in a derrogitory or sarcastic nature alot, or atleast that’s how it seems… have you noticed yourself doing that? weird little jason-ism)
I’m not suggesting you CAN’T, I’m suggesting, in the interest of leading by example, thet you probably SHOULDN’T.
using the power and privelage that comes with being the admin of “your own forum that you own” in this way – which is basically to simply to self congradulate your self, is not setting a good example of what you want from this community.
when you do something like this, the message you send out to the community is that you consider your personal project films worthy of pinning, while no one elses ever are. can you see why I find this to be an issue of more than “I’m paying for the bandwidth this forum uses (which I, and I’m sure the rest of us DO appretiate and respect – as I said in the first post) so I can do what I like” – this is SUPPOSED to be a friendly, fair community is it not?
and as far as posting it TWICE, once in the “wrong” forum, well, it’s another lead by example issue – you want people to keep this place tidy, and post in the appropreate forums yes? no? break your own rules all you like jason, won’t break my nose, this IS your place… just don’t get all pissy when you set poor precedents, and people follow suit… if it’s okay for us to post movies in the general discussion forum then say so, if it’s okay for us to post the exact same topic multiple times in various sections than say so, just don’t do one and say the other – that’s all that’s ironing the wrinckles out of my my Shar Pei today.
sorry to stray for so long offtopic.
well I have a few issues that hindered my underdstanding and enjoyment of this film. firstly I’ll have to admit to deliberatly ovoiding any indepth polittical coverage of this little war, I loathe the wrechedness of polittical “debate”, I’ll just sit here, and live my life, waiting pessimistically for knobs in suits to kill us all with their personal point scoring and greed for power and control.
seccondly, here in Australia there we don’t really see much of the american pollitical scene (sept for george dubbya) so many of the characters in this movie I was just like “huh? wonder who that is?”
the above two are my issues, and do not reflect on the film at all, it’s just what hindered my from understanding it fully.
Thirdly, the film hit me with two flavors, one was cheep pollitical humour, the “saddam and binladen are gay” thing is cheep, corny, and implys that they are “evil” becasue they are gay, OR they’re gay because they’re evil… not saying that’s the intent of it, just that is how it came off for me… atleast when they did almost the exact same joke in southpark it had some very funny gags to “take the edge off” and didn’t JUST make it about being “evil and gay”.
the seccond flavor was that of pure polittical propoganda, so much of it was not clever witty satire, (though some was quite clever) but instead simple cheap pot-shots at political figures, in an effort to make then look like twats. (that they probbably are) – it just felt more like “name calling” or “mud slinging” that actual satire.
maybe I’m just not aware of the idiosyncrasys of the individuals enough to “get it”?
the tech? – well at times the animation was very smooth, and then, seconds later is was jumping all over the shop…? compression issues? it WAS a rather low bitrate for a film at 640×480 – perhaps is you wanted to keep the file size low it would have been better to lower the res and keep a higher bitrate to preserv the image and motion quality?
lighting was very good, no complaints – I particullarly liked the dramatic floor lighing effect on the balding-glasses-wearing-dude (tii tired to remember name)
the voice acting was great, as were the sets – the oval office was fantabulus.(gratuitious bushism)
if it was cleverer that it was propogana-ish I would have liked it more, but it wasn’t.April 24, 2003 at 12:17 pm #1421
*Yolegoman is officially leaving this descussion. He will no longer participate in it in any length or form*April 24, 2003 at 2:03 pm #1429
I never finnished it, watch the words you use in a brick film please!
I found the chem/bio/nukes going bye at his speech to be funny, its obvious we haven’t used bio or chem as weapons of mass destruction.
On the nukes, I feel that nuclear weapons have actualy done a lot to promote peace, were it not for nukes, we probably would have had a Russion/American war long ago.
I feel that our two uses of nukes saved Japenese and American lives.
Statistics on past battles, when the japenese would surrender accoridng to their statements…etc were carefully thought out. I don’t remember the exact estimate, but it was over a million lives that would be lost before Japan would surrender. Given the choice, our president chose to use these new weapons, and we have never had a “massive” war since.April 24, 2003 at 3:46 pm #1430
I appreciate this brickfilm tremendously for having actual coherent dialogue, read clearly by talented voice actors. That is a rare beast around here. I also respect it for tackling a new subject matter and for obviously having a well-written script. Despite that, I did think it dragged a bit in the middle. An action sequence of some kind would have split up the talking and been a nice change of pace.
On the matter of its politics, I think anything that stirs up controversy or pisses someone off is a good thing. Overall, I thought the jabs to be fairly mild, but in seeing the reactions the film got, I was pleased. I don’t understand the people who want to avoid controversy in brickfilms. If the same attitude were applied to cartoons (another “childish” medium) we would never have The Simpsons, South Park, or movies like “Princess Mononoke” or “Grave of the Fireflies.” A well made Star Wars homage is all fine, but I will immediately take notice of someone who pushes the envelope in a film. Can someone who is against “controversy” explain why they want to keep brickfilms on the straight and narrow?April 24, 2003 at 3:47 pm #1431
Sorry to get in so late on this…
Firstly, I have to partly agree with the pinning/sticky issue. At the very least it only makes sense to post this thread in this forum only. Although Jason may do as he wishes, it’s not like he makes a habit of making sticky all of his posts.
Also it’s important to point out that any mod (such as myself) can make a post sticky. In fact, I could delete this thread if I wanted to. How’s that for an abuse of power?
Secondly, and my interpretation may be way off, but I beleive the Hussein/Bin Laden couple scene was what Bish was dreaming about. A jab at some (not all, only a closed-minded minority) Republican’s insistence on equating homosexuality with evil. I seriously don’t believe that Jason shares that view.
Perhaps the transition to the dream sequence could have been made more obvious. It did seem like another cut to the Middle East like the vomit scene earlier in the film.
Overall, I liked it. And a few my co-workers overhearing it did too. (so we have some more converts to the world of brickfilm fandom) 8)
———-April 24, 2003 at 4:09 pm #1433
*Continues struggling to not join the discussion* Grhhhh… Argghhhh….
I can’t do it… *Barely reaches Alt + F4 and exits before joining discussion again…*April 24, 2003 at 5:05 pm #1435
(hehe i snuck on) I watched the film, dont have time to review my parents could show up home any second… but i want to say something. If you don’t remember Brickfilms is a dictatorship, what Jason says goes, whatever Jason does, you like it, or go somewhere else. Jason can do whatever he wants, it his place, put it this way, Brickfilms is a house, and Jason is the leader of the house, now Jason can say whatever he want, and tell you to do stuff, and kick you out, now in a house you can leave at anytime, so if you got a problem pick up your bags and leave dammit. This is Jason’s house! not your house, he pin post it notes all over the house if he wants he pays for the house, he maintains it, and he does try to be a good owner, now my suggestion is you stop your bitchen and listen to the owner of the house, or he will boot your ass out, see the analogy here, SEE it is his place, he baught it, if he wants to turn i into a casino, a hotel, ANYTHING, by golly he can!
now as for the film being controversial, COME ON! There is way worse people, and Jason owns the place, so he can place it at his desire, the only person holding more power in this then website then Jason, is his webmaster! Now lets stop our bitchen and get on with your lives, it’s Jason’s #$%@in house!
-Well that was fun, LONG LIVE THE KING and all that other stuff, i gotta go befoe parents get homeApril 24, 2003 at 5:45 pm #1437
Sounds like you need to leave your parents house, Chris, if they won’t let you get on the comp.
Oh damn, I posted again. :roll
Edit/update: oh man, poor Jason… Rocketmen came out… Okay, I’ll watch it again (Can’t believe I am saying this ) and give you a review… that doesn’t mean that I agree with your views, though, Mr Rowoldt.