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May 21, 2003 at 12:59 pm #3262
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hali

Todd,

I’d just like to re-iterate brickbrock’s post:

wouldn’t it be possible to accept NTSC-Video (or SVIDEO) CDs? They should be playable in a standard DVD-player (not nuch a difference in setup to VHS) but this format would be avaiable to anyone with a CDburner (even if he lives in good ol’ PAL country ).

I am also able to make fully compliant VCD and SVCD movies of my films in NTSC format (test proven on my multiregion dvd player and pal/ntsc television). This is certainly something that would make it much easier for non-NTSC region people (EUROPE/AUSTRALIA mostly) to enter.

cheers,

Hali

May 21, 2003 at 1:59 pm #3263
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Brian of Paco

i’m still prefering the “let jared be an exception to the multiple entries rule” option. mainly, because the quality of vcds blows chunks. (then let’s just compound it by copying it onto a vhs tape, probably the most lossy analog format…)

May 21, 2003 at 2:05 pm #3264
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mrgraff

I’d like to jump on this bandwagon too. If a single track DVD or VCD were allowed, the film’s quality will not suffer from any degradation when transferred from a PC to VHS, and then again when copied to the contest presentation tape(s).

– mrgraff
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May 21, 2003 at 2:29 pm #3265
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hali

Brian,

SVCD (Super VCD) is mpeg2 encoding. Details for NTSC:

NTSC (NTSC Film)

Video:
max 2600 kbit/sec MPEG-2 (Audio + Video bitrate max bitrate is 2778 kbit/s).
480 x 480 pixels (CVD 352×480)
29,97 frames/second
23,976 frames/second with 3:2 pulldown (NTSC Film)
with up to 4 Subtitles

Audio:
from 32 – 384 kbit/sec MPEG-1 Layer2
with up to 2 Audio Tracks

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In my experience, this gives excellent video quality (on a television, I’m not considering how it looks on a comp. monitor, which IS worse, due to the high quality nature, resolution and refresh rates) and would help reduce the problem of further degredation when Todd compiles his tape to play on the day.

Of course it is not as good as DVD quality, but you must take into account the quality of the source material too.

Hali

May 21, 2003 at 2:43 pm #3269
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Yolegoman

A monitor is MUCH worse in display quality as compared to any Good Tv, my 640 x 480 footage from my Logitech 4000 looks GREAT on my 21 inch tv. (Fullscreen!)

Its just mearly okay on the monitor.

What I’m trying to say is, even WMV format films look FINE on any tv as long as they are 640 x 480 resolution. So the Cd/Vcd/Dvd video will look fine on the Tv, as long as you have a reasonably good webcam and film it at 640 x 480 resolution. We really don’t have to worry about that. (Unless you film with the lego cam…)

And yes, I do watch my Legomovies on our Tv, the Puter is hooked up to it at this momentito. :wink

Yolegoman, who doesn’t really know if anybody asked a question for this answer, but figured the question would show up sooner or later and might as well answer it now, but instead is probably making everybody much more confused…

I stole that emoticon from Legotronn…

May 21, 2003 at 8:09 pm #3295
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Bob Page

“Yolegoman” wrote: A monitor is MUCH worse in display quality as compared to any Good Tv

Actually it’s the opposite : Tv display is worse than on monitor :wink

May 22, 2003 at 1:18 am #3333
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Cometgreen

Yep. Monitors have two times the resolution of a standard TV. An HDTV might be different, however.

http://www.vcdhelp.com I believe is the #1 source for VCD making. They offer lots of tips to help you make a good looking VCD.

I would prefer VCDs, partly because I can burn CDs, but I can’t seem to output back to my TV. It’s starting to get on my nerves.

Cometgreen

May 22, 2003 at 1:32 am #3337
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Bob Page

“Cometgreen” wrote: I can’t seem to output back to my TV. It’s starting to get on my nerves.

Cometgreen

What’s your problem? I can maybe help you. What’s your video card?

May 22, 2003 at 2:17 am #3341
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Yolegoman

Oh sorry guys, should have mentioned that I have a High Definition tv *Shrug* kinda forgot.

Whatever.

Wishing he could delete the above post, Yolegoman heads off to bed, crying over the fact that laptops cost so much

May 22, 2003 at 7:49 am #3356
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hali

Yolegoman wrote:
A monitor is MUCH worse in display quality as compared to any Good Tv

Actually it’s the opposite : Tv display is worse than on monitor

Have another read of my post.

What I actually meant (and I know I wasn’t super clear) is that because VCD and SVCD pic quality is quite lossy BUT because it was designed for tvs not computers the video actually looks better on the medium it was designed for: ie tv.

On a computer monitor (MUCH better res, better contrast etc etc) the disadvantages of vcd svcd are shown up. (pixelation etc)

Does that clear things up?

Hali

May 23, 2003 at 4:18 am #3420
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legogod

Hello.

Forgive my not answering this thread in a more timely manner. I have just graduated from college and found it necessary to concentrate on that the past few weeks.

1. Putting movies on videocassette.

I have graduated from the institution that made it possible for me to put computer movies onto VHS. I am in the process of finding a job that would afford me the money to build a system to do VHS converting. Not being able to surely say I can do it-I have to decline this time. Plus, I made it hard for other people the last two times:

A. Somehow, send me the biggest and best working copy of the movie you’re entering (in .avi format hopefully).
B. I would render in Premiere and export to VHS.

A lot of people are going to see these movies. I went this route to make the best digital version available at the screening. (It’s on a big screen anyways).

2. I intend to enter this contest.

Hali quote:

I am also able to make fully compliant VCD and SVCD movies of my films in NTSC format (test proven on my multiregion dvd player and pal/ntsc television). This is certainly something that would make it much easier for non-NTSC region people (EUROPE/AUSTRALIA mostly) to enter.

Hali has made some comments that he would be willing to help people put their movies onto NTSC videocassette. Contact him through his profile.

Jared

May 23, 2003 at 5:02 am #3421
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Cometgreen

Congrats on graduating, legogod. And it’s perfectly understandable why you’re not able to offer your services this time. It’s not your job, anyway.

I still think that VCDs or DVDs would be the way to go, or should at least be allowed. It seems like many people are unable to place their works on VHS, at least for now. I’ll keep on trying to get my stuff on VHS, but the VCD idea should be considered.

EDIT: …Hmm, now that I think about it: For those who can make VCDs that work in DVD players: Hook your DVD player into your VCR input (if your VCR has one, mine has RCA inputs), and then simply record. This should help to solve the problem for those of us in NTSC land. If this works, one of us here, I’m sure, would be willing to take VCDs from PAL land and transfer them to NTSC VHS tapes. I’ll look into this, once I get my parents’ CD-RW to work again.

Cometgreen

May 23, 2003 at 5:16 am #3422
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Buxton

Hook your DVD player into your VCR input (if your VCR has one, mine has RCA inputs), and then simply record

That’s exactly what I did for the show I attended a while back and it works perfectly. Sadly, I can’t produce NTSC tapes, so I’d be very grateful if someone (preferably someone reliable – no offence to WeirdEars, et al) would volunteer for this.

May 23, 2003 at 5:38 am #3423
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Cometgreen

I think I’d be willing to do this. But I will probably only be able to do a few, unless I simply get a box and ship the videotapes in that. Those who are interested can email me or PM me. Any others here in the US that are willing to offer these services, please do so. We can balance out the work load.

Cometgreen

May 23, 2003 at 6:12 am #3424
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RevMen

I could do a couple. Both of my computers have decent TV out, and one has a DVD drive, so I could probably handle pretty much anything that got thrown my way. I could definitely help people who’d like to upload very large .avi’s, as I have a large amount of available space on my anony ftp server and an extremely fast internet connection in my office at school.

If a number of people had me VHS-ize their movies, we could all split the cost of buying a package of tapes and of shipping them all together, which would be very inexpensive.

Plus I’d get to see some entries before the competition. :evil

Shoot me an e-mail or pm if you’re interested.

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