June 17, 2007 at 7:17 am #296129
While I really like An Old Ore’s idea of a special section of the directory, I don’t think that BAMPA winners are always the best, or even intended to be the best, films produced in a given year. A BAMPA film with a really good score, for example, may not be in the year’s top 10 or so films. The same applies to other category winners. While there is a tendency for better films to get nominated, I think that there are still films of equal or greater overall quality to winners in categories other than Best Film which may or not even be nominated for anything. (I’m not saying that the BAMPAs haven’t done a good job of selecting their nominees and winners, just that they don’t necessarily reflect all the best films in a given year.) I agree that the best solution would be to have both a complex rating system and a simpler overall rating which would be separate. Perhaps the complex rating could be made less prominent on the film page, since its primary purpose would then be for filmmakers. I think that perhaps saulgoode does not realize how much some directors get out of the current ratings because he has never released a film on this site.
-SmeagolJune 17, 2007 at 8:16 am #296144
An Old OreMember
The problem is that “best” will vary depending on who you talk to.
I suggest that a standard for “best” be determined and that the films that meet said criteria be put on the “best” list. I don’t think that the general public hould have a say on the films themselves – just the meaning of “best”, but that a specific group picks the films from the films already in the Directory.
The BAMPA’s seemed to me to be a good starting point as they’d already been through the films (admitedly only for a given year) and picked “the best” in several categories where “best” was different for each category.June 17, 2007 at 4:12 pm #296236
I don’t oppose a single rating, in fact I think it would be a fine idea. Also, I see the inherent problems with the technical ratings. However, I would disagree that the technical ratings are not useful, since I’ve definitely applied them to lots of situations in the past where they were very useful. I’d rather they stayed.
Cometgreen’s proposal sounds the best to me, and I agree that if you adopted it you would be a much better candidate than Ladon. Voting in this race is going to be a problem for me because neither campaign seems to have allowed much feedback. If Watson’s campaign wasn’t a joke, I’d almost be seriously inclined to vote for him.
Incidentally, AOO’s proposal is the wackiest of all.June 17, 2007 at 4:46 pm #296253
The existing directory already contains a smaller “best of” directory through the staff favorites feature. Perhaps we could include an “award winner” feature, too.June 17, 2007 at 5:04 pm #296257
I think the Brickfilms directory needs to have an overall rating similar to the Internet Movie Database, but I am completely opposed to doing away with the technical ratings. Yes, they are very inconsistent, and right now don’t mean much, but this is why we have Ladon.June 17, 2007 at 6:57 pm #296306
“RevMen” wrote: Perhaps we could include an “award winner” feature, too.
We were hoping that BAMPAs might at some point become successful enough to warrant such a feature, but we didn’t want to try to impose it. If a candidate would see fit to adding such a thing, we’d certainly support that.June 18, 2007 at 12:03 am #296381
An Old OreMember
I like the idea of a simple “BAMPA winners” list alongside the Staff Favourites. It’d lend more prestiege to them, especially since they (effectively) operate outside of the brickfilms “chain of command” so to speak.
I’d like to hear saulgoode address the following points, which I consider very important for anyone wanting to be MoFR:
- How will you be addressing the disparity in ratings between older films and newer films?[/*]
- How will you handle the volume of films that are already in the Directory and will need to be brought into line with the new system?[/*]
- How will you encourage more ratings? (The more people who rate a given film, the more acurate the rating will be)[/*]
Incidentally, I believe this is the first time I’ve been called “wacky”.June 18, 2007 at 5:11 am #296438
Though I like Staff Favorites being a small and selective group, I could see the benefit on widening it up and making it more like AOO’s “Old Directory” idea. For those that like his idea, most (all?) brickfilms would be allowed into the directory, but the Staff Favorites would have high standards and would be a place for people to look to see all the really good brickfilms.
But I don’t really like that idea anyway, as I prefer the current directory system.
CometgreenJune 19, 2007 at 6:02 am #296753
It is impossible to design anything without knowing what is its purpose. The feedback in this thread provides a strong indication that my characterization of the purpose of the Directory as being a showcase of the best films our community has to offer has not been entirely accurate. It would seem that providing feedback to a film’s director is also extremely important; as well as the Directory serving as research/instructional/archival tool for our community.
With this newfound understanding, I debated whether to withdraw from the race or to alter my platform to reflect the change. I have chosen to withdraw as I consider the platform of the incumbent candidate to be quite similar to any I would come up with to address the issues presented in this thread. While I hold some difference of opinion from Ladon, they are not so extreme as to justify a separate campaign.
I thank everyone for their input in this thread, and offer my apologies to Dewfilms for not living up to her show of support.
P.S. I don’t think Leo’s idea is wacky at all.June 19, 2007 at 6:10 am #296754
P.S. I don’t think Leo’s idea is wacky at all.
I think it was WACKED OUT, mang.
Anyway, although I’m slightly disappointed not to have you on the ballot, you came to a rather respectable conclusion. I think you had, for what it was worth, a good campaign the promoted nice discussion. Thanks saulie.
P.S. Sorry if anyone thought I was being contemptuous toward AOO’s proposal, but the BAMPAs don’t necessarily represent the best films (perhaps one could say the best film nominations are a strict representation of this, but otherwise it is directed toward specific technical merits). So AOO’s idea is definitely salvageable, but I would hate to see great overall films like Found get snubbed just because they didn’t quite make the BAMPAs.
Also, two directories is a lot of directories.