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September 13, 2004 at 3:51 pm #58827
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RevMen

It might be a while before I get them on the events page, so here are the scores of the nominees:

film………………………..story…..presentation…total
Aladibababad…………….188……….178…………366
Daedalus and Icarus……120……….180…………300
Imagine That!…………….145……….121…………266
Fred’s Day…………………135……….130…………265
The Factory Fix……………137……….119…………256
Sai the Magic Word………136……….120…………256
Seeing Red………………..107……….144…………251
The Green Dragon……….130………..71………….201
Th Eye of Aphrodite……..82…………114…………196
Lost………………………….85…………88………….173

What are your thoughts on the results?

My personal feeling is that in voting for story, people weren’t taking “adventurousness” into account very much. I thought that Lost and The Eye of Aphrodite should have fared better in this category.

For presentation I’m fairly happy with the results, though my own ballot would have looked differently.

September 13, 2004 at 8:23 pm #58858
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LowweeK

Question : Josh, did you get my ballot at time ? :?

Here’s my method explained : I’ve selected a wide range of criteria, giving a note from 0 to 5 to each movie in each category.

For the story, my criterias were :
Idea, Progression of the Story, Dialogs, Fun, Editing

For the presentation, my criterias were :
Editing, Photography, Animation, Music and Sound.

Yes, Editing is in both category because I think it has a
storytelling dimension AND a visual one too.

Concerning the “Eye of Aphrodite” I do agree, I gave it
a top rating for visuals but the music was… hum… more
disturbing than helpful ! Plus some entries had a really
better sound and music that could have fit at best with
EOA. Too bad ! :cry:

Globally, my top 3 was : Daedalus & Icarus, The Factory Fix
and Sai The Magic Word. 8)
But all the entries were really close and I had to watch them a
lot of time in order to sort them ! :oops:

Congrats to the winners, as usual, they deserve their prize. And
congrats for the “5 stars” : the girly voice was really cute ! I did
love it VERY much :wink

September 13, 2004 at 8:46 pm #58861
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RevMen

Yes, I got your ballot Lowweek, with plenty of time to spare. In total there were 23 ballots received. I was thinking of stripping the names from the spreadsheet I made and just posting the voting matrix, so people can see how the votes tended to go.

September 14, 2004 at 1:43 am #58886
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Kyle

“RevMen” wrote: I thought that Lost and The Eye of Aphrodite should have fared better in this category.

Agreed, That film was my favorite. I really look into other things and I think just the action stuff in it was really neat. Overall it was the one that surprised me the most. Thats what I personally look for in a film, is something I havent seen that makes me want to go and make a brickfilm right away. :)

September 14, 2004 at 1:48 am #58887
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Markenration

“kylepro88″ wrote: [quote="RevMen"]I thought that Lost and The Eye of Aphrodite should have fared better in this category.

Agreed, That film was my favorite. I really look into other things and I think just the action stuff in it was really neat. Overall it was the one that surprised me the most. Thats what I personally look for in a film, is something I havent seen that makes me want to go and make a brickfilm right away. :) [/quote]

I agree too….Cause HAT Competition is the contest topic for adventure, and those movies are exactly the type of topic for HAT.

September 14, 2004 at 3:01 am #58891
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David West

I agree with those of you that have said that people didn’t really take adventurousness into consideration. The two films that fit the theme best, EOA and The Green Dragon, both placed fairly low. The next competition should have a Theme weighting. And it should be a fairly heavy weighting, somewere around 30%. If there is going ot be an Adventure contest, I want to see adventures. Most of the HAT films REALLY stretched the theme. Though thats not to say that the general quality of the films was extremely high.

September 14, 2004 at 11:02 am #58911
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hali

Lowweek,

Rather than make up my own things to rank the films on, I used what was listed on the events page as a pretty close guide:

Story – 50% Weighting – Half your film’s score will be based on the adventure story you tell. Originality, dialogue, and adventurousness will be the factors affecting this category.

General Presentation – 50% Weighting – The second half of your score will be based on the technical aspects of your film. Image quality, animation, sound quality, set design and cinematography are among the items that will help you score high here.

I think it is important to consider judging guides like this so that everyone who votes is considering the same things.

From a casual glance at the final results I can’t see how people followed these guidelines too carefully with respect to the story. Not only adventurousness, but originality too. I awarded higher scores to films that I saw as combining adventure and originality well. I do think that presenting old ideas in new ways can be original, but I am not convinced Aladibababad or Daedalus and Icarus did this in a way that I could reward. So I am glad dewfilms got into the top three, but I was hoping for it to rank higher.

Daedalus and Icarus, in particular, is an awesome film but I was only able to rate it highly production wise. Great story too, just not for this comp.

With the benefit of hindsight, a scoring method with a 50/50 split means a film may rank highly if it does exceptionally well in one category. If there were 3(i don’t know… just thinking) evenly weighted (which is important) categories, it reduces the probability of just one category being able to swing the result, being proficient in two, or average in all three may give just as much chance.

Certainly some good films in the comp!

Thanks again for running it, Rev.

Hali

September 14, 2004 at 11:42 am #58914
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Holgor

I was thinking of stripping the names from the spreadsheet I made and just posting the voting matrix

That’d be cool! I’m really interested in that!

I awarded higher scores to films that I saw as combining adventure and originality well. I do think that presenting old ideas in new ways can be original, but I am not convinced Aladibababad or Daedalus and Icarus did this in a way that I could reward. So I am glad dewfilms got into the top three, but I was hoping for it to rank higher.

Daedalus and Icarus, in particular, is an awesome film but I was only able to rate it highly production wise. Great story too, just not for this comp.

Exactly my thoughts, though I didn’t dare to write them down. Thanks, hali! ;)
It’s the same thing as in the APE-competition, some films don’t seem to fit the theme. On the other hand, almost EVERY film/story/idea is kind of an adventure or kind of a peculiar event, so it’s difficult to forbid a film someone has worked on several months just because the theme isn’t appropriate enough.
That’s why I liked the Words of Wisdom contest so much – you could film anything you want, but there’s still something every film has in common so that you can compare them. It’s difficult to achieve that in a contest. I hope something like that will be done in the next contest – maybe Words of Wisdom II? I guess many people watching the entries got many ideas themselves…

Oh, and please date the next deadline at the end of February ’05 so I can participate :D

Thanks for reading,
Holgor

PS: I think Lost should’ve scored higher. Just because of an unspectacular story and bad voice acting it placed so low? Other films scored higher with bigger mistakes.
I guess most films were judged because of their “enjoyability” (is that even a word? You know what I mean), and not by the given guidelines. That’s why Aladibababad placed first, in my opinion.

September 14, 2004 at 6:49 pm #58939
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LowweeK

In my ballot, there were differences in the rankings between the story and technical ratings, but I didn’t want to detail them.

I’ve taken the word “Adventure” in a very wide way. Why ? Just because I didn’t want to advantage a remake of LOTR or Indiana Jones, which I thought was not very original. Many movies had either originality or an adventurous story.
I recognize that perhaps, I “underrated” movies like “Imagine That” that were original and yet adventurous. :?
“Daedalus & Icarus” was, to me, a great story and a great adventure too. Perhaps, Stefan should have put more “philosophy” in its entry but oohh man, I love so much Ancient Greek history that it could lenghted an hour ! :P

For the presentation, I still give a fair importance to the music and sound, and you know how I’m picky on this ! :twisted:

Anyway, the Word Of Wisdom idea was VERY clever. :mrgreen:

September 15, 2004 at 1:51 pm #59050
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macnavi

I did found it hard to judge on 2 different things. For me, just voting for what I though was the best, funniest or cleverest film,. would have been enough. I’ve seen the films a few times and I did find it hard to judge. But I think Sai the Magic word was the best in both categories. Very professional, but maybe that was its weakest point. A kind of “settled” animator will have it harder to win a contest, because people are more likely to choose the underdog, the surprising newcomers etc. But although I’m normally not a big Bluntman fan, I really thought this Bluntman film was fantastic and should have won in both categories!

September 16, 2004 at 4:51 pm #59140
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“LowweeK” wrote: “Daedalus & Icarus” was, to me, a great story and a great adventure too. Perhaps, Stefan should have put more “philosophy” in its entry but oohh man, I love so much Ancient Greek history that it could lenghted an hour ! :P

Damn, I’ve should’ve done a short film based upon The Odyssey. :notimpressed:

September 16, 2004 at 11:46 pm #59237
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Leftfielder

Well I’m still mystified that Hoogiman’s film didn’t make the top ten, but other than that I can’t exactly complain. :wink

September 17, 2004 at 2:21 am #59270
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Ladon

“Lego Guy” wrote: [quote="LowweeK"]“Daedalus & Icarus” was, to me, a great story and a great adventure too. Perhaps, Stefan should have put more “philosophy” in its entry but oohh man, I love so much Ancient Greek history that it could lenghted an hour ! :P

Damn, I’ve should’ve done a short film based upon The Odyssey. :notimpressed:[/quote]

So the fact that The Odyssey is one of the most un-original stories ever, really didn’t click in?
I don’t see how a mythological story, that has been re-used millions of times, could ever reach anywhere near the top of an original story category!

Some people may not have been thinking about the logistics of that situation…

September 20, 2004 at 11:37 am #59676
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hoogiman

“Leftfielder” wrote: Well I’m still mystified that Hoogiman’s film didn’t make the top ten, but other than that I can’t exactly complain. :wink

Thanks, lefty, that makes me smile. :)

September 20, 2004 at 2:24 pm #59684
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RevMen

I must admit that Hoogiman’s entry is one I keep coming back to on the DVD. I really like the style of humor he used. My favorite line is “I’m going to China!” The way it’s said is just perfect.

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