My goals for Film Ratings

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January 4, 2007 at 4:03 pm #249765
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Ladon

Film ratings at this moment in time are basic. More people are wishing that they could review films so that they would have more to think about and consider when they’re rating the film in question.

I’ll spare you any more reading, and instead present an example or two of what I would work on establishing if I’m elected for this important part of the community.

This is how I see things progressing, and this is what I want to do. It’s all open to user opinion, and the input of the Minister of Film Review, who I would be working in correlation with.

Sample of my ideas for the main film page.

Sample of the ratings rubric I would like to incorporate.

Both of those are by no means final. I want to gather ideas that would help improve it, and at the moment I’m refining the wording on those rubric descriptions. When I’m done with it, it will be two easy to read sentences for each rating.

The way I see it, having an established point of reference for every rating will help to iron out all the confusion and irregularity in the ratings. This way, everyone is basing their ratings off of the same source, which will help to moderate the resulting ratings.

What I’ve experienced through talking with a selection of directors from up and down the range, some newer directors who are proud of their work will rate according to their own films. And so if there is a film that they consider to be just a little better than theirs, they’ll rate it fairly high because their point of reference is their own film. No matter how mediocre. My rubric system will help to solve that problem, and will help new raters create a slightly more correct and unbiased frame of reference for their decisions on rating.

I want to not only make rating an easy and effective part of the film directory, but make it more involving. Rating should feel very close to reviewing in the mind of the user, they should feel that their rating will make a difference. A little bit to read is a perfect way to let people feel more involved. They have a chance to think about the rating they’re giving, and they’ll then understand how much they actually enjoyed a film.

I don’t want to take away people’s privacy by trying to install a ‘Who rated what?’ feature. People have the right to rate a film poorly without being chased down because of it. And there are people who take advantage of it, that’s their own fault for being jealous or annoyed, or whatever emotions are running through their minds. But there are more people who rush through ratings without having a chance to think about what they’re putting in, and people who don’t have a frame of reference for what they’re rating, so they just base it off of the last good film they saw. Sometimes this turns out bad for the film in question, sometimes it turns out good. It should always turn out truthful. I want to try and get the truth out of people who aren’t sure how to express it. Ease of understanding about what they’re doing will lead to more confidence about what they’re doing. There should be no film that is hard to rate. All it takes it a good point of reference, and thats what I’m taking the time to try and create for the users.

The above are just the beta versions of what I hope will become a truly unique and involving rating experience! Yet this will only happen if I manage to earn your vote. And I really want to be able to do that.

I’m still awaiting a final verdict on who will be nominating me, but that will most likely be resolved in the next few hours.

If you have any questions about what I want to do, please feel free to ask! I’ll try to answer whatever I can as detailed as possible. Just remember, I’m on here nearly 12 hours a day. This is my passion, Brickfilms is my online home. I want to do whatever I can to help it grow and flourish in the time after these elections, because while I love this site, I know it can be even better in the future.

-Ladon

January 4, 2007 at 4:30 pm #249767
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little_studios

Nice idea Ladon, a very detailed approach to your plan and nice and clear. I like the rubric rating idea and I agree that it could be refined further for the copmleted thing.

-LS

January 4, 2007 at 4:45 pm #249769
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RevMen

:shock:

Nicely done, sir.

January 4, 2007 at 5:19 pm #249778
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Nosniborus

This is an extremely important area at Brickfilms.com, and I think your rubric idea could work.
I noticed in your sample that it could become too easy to choose 7′s for most films, but it’s not like that doesn’t happen already, anyway.
Nice work!

-Nos

January 4, 2007 at 5:26 pm #249783
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LegobrosJon

Thats a great idea.

-LBJ

January 4, 2007 at 5:45 pm #249796
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Trillspots

Very concise…I like it!

-Trill

January 4, 2007 at 7:40 pm #249826
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Dan

Lame.

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Seriously though, absolutely positively well done. I think this is an excellent idea.

Something similar could be done for judging contest entries as well.

January 4, 2007 at 8:13 pm #249838
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chosen1

Ladon, I think you are on the right track, and oddly enough I had this same Idea before you posted this.

Your “Main film pages Ideas” are quite great. I noticed you separated the votes between Users And Staff members, Will the users be “Paying Users” or also known as “Patrons” Or will we all get to vote? At any case, I feel this method of Dividing who voted is a great way to change the films. Your added element “Enjoyment” is a great addition, by adding this we can express our feelings more. An animation can be Stunning in it’s technical aspects but not enjoyable. “Dr. Jobs and His Scary Laboratory pt.1″ is a prime example for myself, I found that movie to be great but not as enjoyable as other films.

Now, Your “Rubric Rating” System is Genius. It Helps eliminate the confusion of how and what to rate. I do have some suggestions for it. First of all, underneath each Rating Category there should be a description of what they are(i,e; Sound: This element is referring to the sound design of the film. The Score, Foley, and quality. Make sure you consider each of these elements before rating this.), this way it helps the rater even further by supplying them with more information. I also think there should be a “Set Design” or “Visual Effects” Category, a category that helps rates the vastness and the creativity of the sets and/or props.

In the actually Grid of the Rubric rating system, I think we need more ratings. It would be too easy, as some pointed out, to give most films a 7 rating. I find the “7″ an Average film, not an above average. I think you should add a few more rating possibilities.

Lastly, I feel you should get a bunch of assistants, if you are elected, and try to fix the mess in the Film page. To many a time I go to download A film and the quality is utter crap. As an Official Page we should have nothing but at least average film quality.

These are my Suggestions, I hope you take them in to Consideration.

-Christopher

January 4, 2007 at 8:31 pm #249847
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Lord_Of_The_LEGO

Will you have the option to people to be able to change their ratings after they submit it? There have been several times where I wish I had the ability to “Edit+Undo.”

January 4, 2007 at 8:38 pm #249851
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Crazyanimator

I think the staff rating/user rating is a much better interpretation. It really shows more about what the films ratings should be. I’m not too fond of the rubric, but it would be acceptable to have.

January 4, 2007 at 11:29 pm #249895
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hali

The rubric idea is awesome. Can’t believe I use them to assess things at school (even films) but have not thought to apply it here.

I’ve had long term issues with the rating system (particularly the way things are calculated, the ‘maths’ has always allowed for someone who hates a film or likes a person to really skew the results, and it is very subjective – I should know I’ve reviewed so many in the past), so this looks like an awesome way to go.

Rubrics work multiple ways, they help to review with more accuracy and they allow filmakers to plan more effectively and get better ‘feedback’.

Rubrics are not that good for experiemental/non-standard films though…

(Edit: What I mean is that a film may intentionally have bad lighting , animation, and a simple plot, but it may be done VERY WELL to contribute a certain effect or convey an idea; a reviewer sticking to the rubric may miss the point and give it a poor score. BUT I really do think it is a great idea.)

Top work, Ladon.

January 4, 2007 at 11:37 pm #249896
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hoogiman

Awesome idea Ladon. :o

January 5, 2007 at 1:49 am #249943
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RyanD

I like this idea a lot. I have never rated any films for the main and simple reason that I don’t know what the standards are. With this, nobody will get confused

See ya,
Ryan :)

January 5, 2007 at 1:50 am #249944
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Watson

I would like to comment on Ladon’s ethics as a matter of debate for this election.

In particular, I’m going to cite an incident involving my film, The Citizen of the Year. This is not meant to be an appeal for action on my part – I don’t seek sympathy or rectification. This is meant simply to analyze an incident which happened, and Ladon’s reaction to that incident. I use my film only because – for obvious reasons – I am most familiar with its situation.

During Septemberfest this year, some objected to the festivities. One or two members took it upon themselves to perform what I’ll call punitive rating – the act of purposely rating a film with very low numbers with the goal of crushing its ratings. That in itself is fine – I’m not particularly concerned about what ratings it has received in the directory. I’m happy with it, and I’ve managed to find other ways to expose it to the public. Nevertheless, this is a problem that comes up from time to time in the ratings process. Members will rate a film with the objective of trying to reduce its rating as much as possible, and not on the basis of giving it what they feel it deserves. This generally has nothing to do with the film, but is a personal attack on the director.

In this particular case, because of the number of ratings involved, and the amount of change in the scores, ratings of at or near zero would have been required. While I am willing to accept that some won’t like the film nearly as much as others, I think most reasonable members would agree that a string of zero ratings is not meant as an honest judgement of a film, but, as I said earlier, as a punitive rating.

There was some suspicion on my part, and on that of others, that Ladon may have been involved. He had been one of the most outspoken critics of Septemberfest, and at that time, was quite upset about the whole thing. When, in one thread, Tim raised the issue of the recent ratings, Ladon’s response was that “people have most likely rated the film what they think is fair … people are probably tired of hearing about it … I believe the expression ‘advertise to death’ is quite literal here. You’ve hyped it enough for people to hate it’s [sic] existence.” Indeed, Ladon was the most vocal of anyone in expressing his feelings that it had been “advertise[d] to death.” Evidently, he felt that this made punitive ratings acceptable in this situation.

The implication here is that Ladon sees nothing wrong with this sort of behavior. In fact, he defended it. Regardless of our suspicions as to who was responsible, that kind of thinking has no place from the member who wishes to be the minister of film ratings.

My question, then, is, do you still feel this was acceptable?

January 5, 2007 at 2:00 am #249949
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Lord_Of_The_LEGO

My question on whether if people will be able to change their ratings later still stands.

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