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March 7, 2008 at 8:04 pm #378293
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si665

Sorry, but as a paying member I demand a once yearly report on how the finances are doing. A very brief one will do as per my suggestion in the thread that was wrongly locked.

All I’d like to see is this, Once a year, a post from the treasurer stating

a) Total Amount Paid in by Patrons
b) Total expenditure and where it was spent
c) How much is left in the account.

If you do not tell us exactly where our money is going, I will no longer be paying a patronage fee and I strongly urge every other patron to withdraw their donations as well.

Please do not delete this thread, because if you do, I will personally email every patron, and update them with a copy of this message anyway.

If we are paying money it is only reasonable and fair to expect to be told where it is going.

I do not see how Patrons can be in with a chance to ‘make money’ if we do not know where it is going or how it is being spent.

You’re reply is both insulting and leaves me with a strong feeling that that there is fowl play at hand. Your refusal to give us details, is baffling and somewhat suspicious.

I was lead to believe that our Patron fees were going to the upkeep of this server. I have paid them believing that is the case.

If our monies are being ‘diverted’ elsewhere then that is an offense of ‘Obtaining Monies by Deception’, in the UK & US.

Now please can we have some transparency and honest replies.

March 7, 2008 at 8:07 pm #378295
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Schlaeps

I’m gonna move it to the patrons forum at least so that only patrons can vote on it. :)

I think it’s a good idea to hold a poll about this.

March 7, 2008 at 8:08 pm #378296
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Rsteenoven

I agree, as I will be getting patron soon.

March 7, 2008 at 9:25 pm #378321
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thickasabrick

Sorry, but as a paying member I demand a once yearly report on how the finances are doing

That won’t happen & here’s why (as posted in another thread):

In return for your patron subscription, you get an advertisement free environment, a private forum, members only software and other “perks” available only to patrons. Monies paid to become a patron are not “group property” and need not be disclosed to anyone (except our accountant & the government) :)

The bottom line is this – you are receiving a value in return for your spending. If you don’t think its a fair value, do NOT renew your subscription. The choice is yours. We hope you will think its worthwhile to renew, when the time comes.

That being said, we HAPPILY contribute more to the website than we collect. Why? Because we want the same thing that you do. We want Brickfilms to maintain its position as the #1 LEGO stop motion animation website AND to add even more cool stuff!

That’s my final word on this topic.

Now stop wasting time & energy on this & start BrickFilming!

Cheers!

March 9, 2008 at 1:52 am #378572
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Squash

I voted yes. I do feel we have the right. I don’t see how much trouble it would be to show the 3 things Si mentioned, or how it could hurt anything.

PS. Thanks to whoever unlocked this thread.

March 9, 2008 at 2:02 am #378578
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prof1515

It all comes down to how the money is given and receieved.

If buying patronage is purchasing a service then, no, you do not have a right to know or say how the money is spent. However, if the purchase of patronage is seen as an investment, almost in the way of buying shares of a company, then you could and should expect a report on the management of your investment.

It would therefore seem appropriate that the issue of exactly what the nature of patronage is be defined clearly so as to eliminate confusion over what rights, if any, patrons are entitled to.

-J

March 9, 2008 at 7:06 am #378661
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An Old Ore

I think that you’re confusing a “patron” with an “investor”, as prof said.

If you go to a shop and buy a bottle of shampoo, do you demand a financial report?

If you go to a studio and get your picture taken, do you demand a financial report?

Put the shoe on the other foot – if you go and buy a CD, would you accept if the shop demanded access to your computer so they could check for illegal copies? If you buy a house, would the previous owner come over and see how clean you keep it?

If the site admins ask for money and they then go on a massive bender and spend it all on booze and prostitutes, I’d have no problem with that, so long as the site was still up. If you feel so strongly that you feel that you have to demand to know where your money is going, then it’s my opinion that you shouldn’t be a patron.

March 9, 2008 at 9:37 am #378689
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si665

Any club, charity etc, have an AGM, they have it at least once a year, to let the members know how things are going. As I stated, I DO NOT expect a financial report.

But what I do think is only reasonable is something like.

This year we have made $****, we spent a total of $**** maintaining the server etc. Which leaves $**** in the kitty.

Is that so much to ask ?

Also ThickAsBricks total attitude towards the members here I find amazing. All the secrecy the total rejection of even meeting us half way re this simple request etc

Her constant promises of members benefiting – how exactly ?

When was the last time you saw an official competition with a cash prize ?
(I am an adult with a good income, I am not interested in prize money, but there are a lot of young members here who can’t avoid the decent software and hardware let alone Lego, required to make good brickfilms, it would be nice to see the opportunity for them to be able to through prize money for their hard work)

I was lead to believe that in addition to what ThickAsBrick quoted as saying what the benefits were for paying members, I was under the impression my money was going towards upkeep of the server and also to things like prizes for competitions.

ThickAsBricks refusal to list the money situation leaves us wondering how much the site makes, how much is being raked off her own use.

Yes she and others like you can say, oh well the server costs a lot to run and she puts in more then we make. How do you know, we only have the word of the faceless entity that is ThickAsBrick. For all we know, she may have contacts at the ISP and we might be getting the server for free !
(my previous gaming forum had such a deal, we never paid for the server as we helped maintain it and therefore we got it in lieu of paying’

She states she is a silent partner, apart from these ‘refusal’ posts from her, what does she do for us ? As she won’t tell us we just don’t know.

It is the community that keeps this site going, as far as I thought/knew, it was the patrons that were paying for the server.

As she is refusing to tell us who she is, what she does, what is happening to the money the site makes, we have no idea what she does that entitles her to take all this money that we don’t see again ?

Now it may be that yes she is putting in more money that we are making, but how do we know.

And to be honest, who in their right mind would say to Revman, ‘yes I will take this website off your hands and run it’ knowing that they are constantly having to fund it themselves.

No one volunteers to take on a money pit, unless they are very wealthy and money is no option, or they are mental. Or they are not being upfront about the money earned collectively from Patron fees and Advertising and in fact the site is a nice little earner ?

And of course she is not worried about the Patrons not paying anymore, because then they would have all the adverts to deal with and that means more advert revenue, it’s a win win for ThickAsBrick as far as I can tell.

Now wouldn’t you like to know ?

March 9, 2008 at 11:59 am #378719
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Ladon

Brickfilms has never been about money. If you care more about who is running the community than the community itself, then you may not be here for the right reasons. Everyone’s trying to make conspiracies out of everything, when they’re just coming off as jackasses.

This is my stand on the situation, for this moment.

March 9, 2008 at 12:26 pm #378727
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Matt Gillan

I voted, “No.”

March 9, 2008 at 12:27 pm #378729
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saulgoode

“Ladon” wrote: If you care more about who is running the community than the community itself, then you may not be here for the right reasons.

March 9, 2008 at 2:28 pm #378749
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Mirko

“prof1515″ wrote: If buying patronage is purchasing a service then, no, you do not have a right to know or say how the money is spent. However, if the purchase of patronage is seen as an investment, almost in the way of buying shares of a company, then you could and should expect a report on the management of your investment.

I thought it is neither. When becoming a patron several years ago, I understood this as a donation to the site. A way of helping the community maintain their main means of communication. A lot more people use the site than pay for it and as someone with an income (as opposed to probably many of the younger visitors) I felt it appropriate to help pay for the site. Of course, there are benefits to being a patron and at the time I joined they consisted of of even more (e.g., web hosting). As to whether I saw this as purchasing a service, I refer to my posting from roughly 2,5 years ago where I commented on the step to give server space to non-patrons:

“Mirko” wrote: I already suggested something like this in the “Do you want PostLegoMovies to continue?” thread and now I welcome this step, of course.

I don’t see why any patron should be angry about this, seeing that nothing really changes for us (exept for the better, see below).

Also, I never saw the fee only as a payment for a service. It’s supposed to be a donation, albeit one where we benefit directly through a service. This site gives away a lot for free (reading the forums, using the directory and the sound library,…), the space now makes it only more worthwhile for visitors because,…

…last but not least, brickfilming is not only about posting one’s own movies but also about looking at others’. I hope this will decrease the amount of bad links and slow downloads (a la brickshelf or freewebs) whenever solutions like archive.org are not feasible for some reason.

EDIT:

“Ladon” wrote: Brickfilms has never been about money. If you care more about who is running the community than the community itself, then you may not be here for the right reasons.

Patronage is about money. And noone ever said he cares more about the owners than the community. Some of us do care about who we are giving our money, though.

The question here is whether we want to give it to some obscure company we neither know nor trust and that says it doesn’t care for our money anyway. I don’t, and I am happy to announce that I just paid a visit to my PayPal account.

Mirko

March 9, 2008 at 3:46 pm #378771
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si665

Bottom line is this, I love this community despite only being here a short time.

When becoming a patron several years ago, I understood this as a donation to the site. A way of helping the community maintain their main means of communication. A lot more people use the site than pay for it and as someone with an income (as opposed to probably many of the younger visitors) I felt it appropriate to help pay for the site.

Exactly beautifully said. Mirko.

But now we find ourselves being run by some faceless entity, who refuses to tell us where the money is going. We just want some transparency in the running of this site. Why all the cloak and dagger, what have you got to hide.

As for those of us that thought we were helping the community by paying a fee so everyone could enjoy it, we find out that actually our money is just going off into the ether never to be seen again.

I am amazed that there are so many ‘sheep’ here who are happy to follow the herd who are happy to throw money away without knowing who is getting it or how it is supposed to be benefiting the community.

I am happy to announce that I just paid a visit to my PayPal account.

Ditto.

March 9, 2008 at 4:54 pm #378784
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thickasabrick

The question here is whether we want to give it to some obscure company we neither know nor trust and that says it doesn’t care for our money anyway. I don’t, and I am happy to announce that I just paid a visit to my PayPal account.

Bravo – I strongly encourage everyone who feels that way to follow your lead. The sooner that those with a negative / cynical attitude stop whining & move along, the better it is for the vast majority of the users. Most people here are either neutral (don’t bother getting into the debate) or support our efforts to improve Brickfilms.

Ditto.

Edit: Thank you, Simon.

March 9, 2008 at 5:01 pm #378788
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Droid

si665, I don’t think your pointless b*tching is getting you anywhere.

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