Proposal – Minister of Brickfilming Welfare

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June 20, 2007 at 1:12 pm #297261
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richardfrost

I would like to suggest a new Ministry, which I think might go some way to addressing some of the issues some members have and which have partially come to light in recent threads.

We have a Minister of Discussion, which, essentially, is a moderator for all the forums, involving most effort, I presume, in Community and LDF.

I propose we have a Minister of Brickfilming Welfare (or something). This person would essentially moderate the Brickfilming Forums, doing the following…

- welcoming new registrants to the site and pointing out the features, resources and FAQs
- moderate the Brickfilming forums
- creation and moderation of a new ‘Start Here’ brickfilming forum, especially for newbies
- marshal help and advice for newbies, calling in experienced help where needed
- creation and management of a mentoring scheme, where a new member, genuinely wanting to improve, could be paired with a willing, experienced filmer
- provide/encourage feedback on lower quality films being ignored in the forums, or which have been rejected from the directory
- work with the Minister of Film Contest to create contests for newer members which will encourage them to learn and improve, and which give them a real chance of winning. These might be judged on greatest improvement over previous film, original storyline etc.
- work with the Ministers of [various resources] to ensure these are fully accessible to new members

If this Ministry was created, I would nominate myself to stand. It is probably a lot more suitable to my nature than my current ministry. Other suitable candidates might be Dewfilms, Saulgoode (yay, o/o/o/) or any experienced brickfilmer who cares to stand.

I believe this role, focussing on developing talent, is currently not covered in the existing cabinet roles.

Edit History – 1 = typos, 2 = add ‘encourage’ to the feedback bullet point

June 20, 2007 at 1:20 pm #297266
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Squash

If this is created (I think it is a great idea), I would run.

June 20, 2007 at 1:27 pm #297268
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June 20, 2007 at 1:57 pm #297271
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Kyle

Awesome idea.

- Kyle

June 20, 2007 at 2:09 pm #297272
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Nick Durron

This is a really great idea. It appears to cover some of the things I would have thought the Minister of Discussion should have been responsible for, but I guess he’s not.

June 20, 2007 at 2:25 pm #297273
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richardfrost

“Nick Durron” wrote: It appears to cover some of the things I would have thought the Minister of Discussion should have been responsible for, but I guess he’s not.

I guess not too. And in the election forum…

“RevMen” wrote: Minister of Discussion (currently Cometgreen) – In charge of the forums and the chat. Responsibilities include setting standards for proper forums behavior and overseeing all moderators.

So it’s not explicitly the role of the Minister of Discussion to do the things I have suggested need doing.

June 20, 2007 at 2:35 pm #297274
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Watson

My concern with this is that it might encourage people to slack off more in doing these things, figuring that the MoBW will take care of it. They might not do it consciously, but over time, complacency could set in.

Also, it would seem to seriously diminish the point of the MoD — or am I misunderstanding? Would the MoD still oversee those forums?

June 20, 2007 at 2:39 pm #297276
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Squash

Would the MoD still oversee those forums?

Yes. If I understand correctly, this job would be to watch out, and help new people. Create contests to inspire them to increase their skills, and review their films, so they know what to fix.
EDIT: So the MoD would still have the same responsibilities.

June 20, 2007 at 2:41 pm #297277
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Nick Durron

It has come to my attention that BertL would perhaps be a good candidate for this position. He is very nice to new members, and already does some of the things required.

June 20, 2007 at 2:57 pm #297285
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Legoman182182

I’m going to be controversial and oppose this idea for several reasons:

  • Firstly, it is currently the role of the minister of discussion to moderate all forums. Dividing the community into to two parts, brickfilming and non brickfilming, is bound to lead to more people with rose tinted nostalgia glasses wanting forums deleted and members who don’t spend as long in certain forums criticised. If you feel that the brickfilming forums are not being run to a high enough standard, then this is most likely an issue with the current minister and not the system. I personally see nothing wrong with the way they are run at the moment.

    Secondly, there are many times more new non active accounts than active ones. Attempting to marshal all new “members” would invariable lead to sending PM’s to inactive accounts and generally wasting time trying to contact people who arn’t there. I would make a guess and say that only one in ten new accounts registered are people who become active and contributing members of our community. Additionally, I would imagine that many new members would rather explore the entire community than be limited to one forum (for a set period or whatever you had in mind).

    Thirdly, I doubt that you will find many experienced brickfilmers willing to be paired with new aspiring members. As much as we would all like to help new members, real life commitments and other such things often get in the way of us finishing our own projects, yet alone helping out an apprentice.

    Finally, almost all of the work and tasks that your minister would be exclusively taking on are open to any existing member (whether in a position of authority or otherwise) to do themselves. We can all, and often do, all of the following anyway:

    – welcoming new registrants to the site and pointing out the features, resources and FAQs
    - Offer our expertise to new brickfilmers wanting to improve or point them in the direction of other experts in the field in question, or simply give them advice in the threads which new members often set up with such queries.
    - provide feedback on lower quality films being ignored in the forums, or which have been rejected from the directory
    - advise the Minister of Film Contest to create, or create of our own accord, contests for newer members which will encourage them to learn and improve, and which give them a real chance of winning. These might be judged on greatest improvement over previous film, original storyline etc.
    - advise the Ministers of [various resources] and help to ensure these are fully accessible to new members

    Giving all of these tasks to one member would cause people to become complacent, and not help out new members or answer questions because it is someone else job. It would be very ironic if this system actually ended up limiting the help new members get, but I see this as a real possibility.

    Additionally, other proposed plans (such as a new member forum, organised mentoring scheme etc) could be implemented without the need to create a new ministry by the minister of discussion.

So, to conclude, I believe the proposed ministry to be unnecessary, as there are already various tools in place to allow the aforementioned infrastructure changes and general behaviour towards new members to take place.

June 20, 2007 at 3:12 pm #297291
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richardfrost

You make a good argument Legoman. Let me answer a few of your points…

“Legoman182182″ wrote: I’m going to be controversial and oppose this idea

Good debate is not controversial. If all this thread does is make us think a bit more about our responsibilities, then it will have been worthwhile.

“Legoman182182″ wrote: Firstly, it is currently the role of the minister of discussion to moderate all forums. Dividing the community into to two parts, brickfilming and non brickfilming, is bound to lead to more people with rose tinted nostalgia glasses wanting forums deleted and members who don’t spend as long in certain forums criticised.

I think that is a leap of logic I can’t follow. I don’t see this as dividing the community into two parts at all. Just providing a little focus for moderators and sharing the load a bit.

“Legoman182182″ wrote: Attempting to marshal all new “members” would invariable lead to sending PM’s to inactive accounts and generally wasting time trying to contact people who arn’t there.

I’m not suggesting that. I’m suggesting a new forum as a landing point for new members. There would be nothing forcing them there at all, no entry criteria, just an optional friendly starting point.

“Legoman182182″ wrote: Additionally, I would imagine that many new members would rather explore the entire community than be limited to one forum (for a set period or whatever you had in mind).

I didn’t have any of that in mind. No walled garden or barrier to entry.

“Legoman182182″ wrote: Thirdly, I doubt that you will find many experienced brickfilmers willing to be paired with new aspiring members.

No harm in trying though, is there? You never know!

“Legoman182182″ wrote: yet alone helping out an apprentice.

I was thinking more along the lines of the term ‘Padawan’.

“Legoman182182″ wrote: Finally, almost all of the work and tasks that your minister would be exclusively taking on are open to any existing member (whether in a position of authority or otherwise) to do themselves. We can all, and often do, all of the following anyway:

True, but not often enough, regularly enough, or with any consistency. The particular one is giving good, friendly, constructive feedback on first films.

“Legoman182182″ wrote: Additionally, other proposed plans (such as a new member forum, organised mentoring scheme etc) could be implemented without the need to create a new ministry by the minister of discussion.

True, they could, and that might be the better way to go. At least we’re now having that debate.

June 20, 2007 at 3:14 pm #297292
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Squash

^Er, wait. Where did you get that we will be paired with aprentices? Or that new people would be limited as to where they go?

June 20, 2007 at 3:30 pm #297298
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June 20, 2007 at 3:53 pm #297308
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RevMen

Rather than creating an entire new ministry, perhaps you can put pressure on the MoD to appoint a deputy to fulfil this duty.

I’m hesitant to accept this idea because I don’t like the thought of electing someone to do what we all should be doing anyway.

June 20, 2007 at 4:07 pm #297312
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richardfrost

OK. Then I’ll stand for MoD on this platform, and appoint a deputy to help me moderate the chat and the discussion forums of LD and Community if I win.

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