June 20, 2007 at 3:12 pm #297291
You make a good argument Legoman. Let me answer a few of your points…
“Legoman182182″ wrote: I’m going to be controversial and oppose this idea
Good debate is not controversial. If all this thread does is make us think a bit more about our responsibilities, then it will have been worthwhile.
“Legoman182182″ wrote: Firstly, it is currently the role of the minister of discussion to moderate all forums. Dividing the community into to two parts, brickfilming and non brickfilming, is bound to lead to more people with rose tinted nostalgia glasses wanting forums deleted and members who don’t spend as long in certain forums criticised.
I think that is a leap of logic I can’t follow. I don’t see this as dividing the community into two parts at all. Just providing a little focus for moderators and sharing the load a bit.
“Legoman182182″ wrote: Attempting to marshal all new “members” would invariable lead to sending PM’s to inactive accounts and generally wasting time trying to contact people who arn’t there.
I’m not suggesting that. I’m suggesting a new forum as a landing point for new members. There would be nothing forcing them there at all, no entry criteria, just an optional friendly starting point.
“Legoman182182″ wrote: Additionally, I would imagine that many new members would rather explore the entire community than be limited to one forum (for a set period or whatever you had in mind).
I didn’t have any of that in mind. No walled garden or barrier to entry.
“Legoman182182″ wrote: Thirdly, I doubt that you will find many experienced brickfilmers willing to be paired with new aspiring members.
No harm in trying though, is there? You never know!
“Legoman182182″ wrote: yet alone helping out an apprentice.
I was thinking more along the lines of the term ‘Padawan’.
“Legoman182182″ wrote: Finally, almost all of the work and tasks that your minister would be exclusively taking on are open to any existing member (whether in a position of authority or otherwise) to do themselves. We can all, and often do, all of the following anyway:
True, but not often enough, regularly enough, or with any consistency. The particular one is giving good, friendly, constructive feedback on first films.
“Legoman182182″ wrote: Additionally, other proposed plans (such as a new member forum, organised mentoring scheme etc) could be implemented without the need to create a new ministry by the minister of discussion.
True, they could, and that might be the better way to go. At least we’re now having that debate.June 20, 2007 at 3:14 pm #297292
SquashParticipantJune 20, 2007 at 3:30 pm #297298June 20, 2007 at 3:53 pm #297308
RevMenParticipantJune 20, 2007 at 4:07 pm #297312June 21, 2007 at 8:36 am #297589
I like the ideas but I don’t see the need for a separate minister; most of these ideas don’t require additional “powers” in order to be carried out. (Electing a person to welcome people? Can’t anyone do this already? In my opinion, making an official position for this would sort of take away from the apparent authenticity of the welcoming.) As for reviewing newbie films in a positive light, stuff submitted to the directory should get this anyway; I know I always try to give a good explanation for rejections and balance it with positives and I believe that the majority of the review panel would do the same. The mentor system is a neat idea, but I don’t see how it could be feasible or more effective. As Comet said, it’s hard to make people stick to this and also new members often leave after a couple weeks anyway due to lack of attention span. I don’t see why it would be more effective to have one person deal with each new member than allowing for members to take advantage of the community’s collective knowledge through posting threads (though possibly in a newbie-oriented forum as you have suggested.) Additionally, I think most of the more experienced members probably get asked how-to questions through PMs a fair amount anyway; I receive a few of these a week (usually specific to how I did a particular thing in one of my own films) and I’m usually able to answer them without the need for the sender to create a thread about it.
-SmeagolJune 21, 2007 at 2:25 pm #297637June 21, 2007 at 3:25 pm #297655
BertLParticipantJune 21, 2007 at 3:36 pm #297664
TrillspotsParticipantJune 21, 2007 at 5:57 pm #297725
I figured it would be easier to focus on the ideas presented here in this thread, and keep your MoD thread for general questions about the campaign. I know the two are closely linked, but given how many ideas you’ve presented, I think it’s easier to discuss them separately.
And yes, by the way, I do mind. If I don’t get an answer sometime this hour, I’ll assume you concede the point and intend to back out of the election. GET ON IT!
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