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June 12, 2003 at 7:35 pm #5068
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Is there an option to submit a film and have ratings and reviews switched off?
And can members “edit” their film pages? Can we switch reviews/ratings off?
(woo.. finished my GCSEs – A lot more time online)

June 12, 2003 at 9:50 pm #5075
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The director will be able to edit his film page, change his comments or whatever. I don’t think I’ll want to add the ability to opt out of reviews. I think that would encourage people to submit things that they didn’t feel were representative of what they are capable of.

June 13, 2003 at 8:16 pm #5159
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I think RevMen has got it all down here,
with his qualified advisors. :)

But my advice to whoever does end up rating films…
never give a perfect rating.

ever.

Some films just may seem to be the best ever…
But when one better comes out, you won’t be able to give it a higher rating.

June 13, 2003 at 11:25 pm #5182
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Buxton

But setting that restriction just means you get the same bottleneck at 9/10. There’s no easy answer to this one, other than to be sparing with full marks.

It’s all about callibration. Here in the UK, most computer games mags treat 80% as the lowest mark you’d give to a game unless it’s actually physically unplayable. However, we have one games mag called Edge, which treats 5/10 as an average mark. Anything with 6/10 or more is worth playing, but I think only about 1 game every couple of years gets 10/10. Those are the “must haves” – Doom, Mario 64, Halo, etc.

For my money, the only brickfilm I’ve seen that would get 9/10 is ROTE, which is almost, but not quite, perfect. I have yet to see a 10, but when I do, I won’t hesitate to give it full marks.

June 14, 2003 at 12:06 am #5185
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legofred

Some films just may seem to be the best ever…
But when one better comes out, you won’t be able to give it a higher rating.

Yes, it should be very difficult and hard to achieve a top score. If you start crying because of a brickfilm’s good quality, then it could be given a top rating. Maybe 1 per year. The Monthy Python Lego film is a good example of a film I think would have deserved a top rating.

But it depends on the amount of “stars” in the scale. 9/10 is more fair than 4/5 if the film is really really good, but not perfect.

Not only will the ratings work as a guide to visitors or members of the community, but it will motivate many of the brickfilmers to make better movies, which I think is the best reason for such a system.

Maybe mentioned before, but what about a place where you can see the average rating for a directors movies? (Maybe it will cause people to give up and leave the community if they got a lot of low ratings…)

Fredrik

June 14, 2003 at 12:18 am #5186
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RevMen

Something that might help some is the ratings are stored as a a floating point with 2 decimal places (0.00 lowest, 10.00 highest). So we could have raters give their ratings using tenths or even hundredths of a point (though hundredths is probably excessive). That way it would be easier to save room for that better film that will eventually come along. A 9.8 doesn’t sound much higher than a 9.5, but that’s effectively 30 points higher in a system with 1000 points of resolution. A 9.82 will still be listed in the directory above a 9.81. Hopefully that’ll prompt the director of the 9.81 film to produce a 9.83 film and so on…

June 14, 2003 at 12:40 am #5187
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legofred

Then you could just use percent, 100%, 63% 13% and so on.

or a system with 10, 6.3, 1.3 – based on the individual rating categories,
like ZDnet uses:

http://reviews-zdnet.com.com/Canon_Powe … tag=promo2

Fredrik

June 14, 2003 at 12:59 am #5188
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I think that raters choosing scores with a resolution of tenths (5.6, 7.4, etc) and a final average score for a category in the hundreds (5.43, 8.76, etc) will work well. Besides, it’s already coded that way so… :P

June 14, 2003 at 1:10 am #5189
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Buxton

OK, so the scoring system is in place. There’s still scope to talk about the criteria to be used by the reviewers when rating a film though.

For me, part of the review process is asking myself what a non-brickfilmer would make of the film. Some films (Zarathustra and Black Knight, to name a couple) are flat-out funny and appeal to a wider audience than films like Good Company, which requires a bit more audience investment. Do they deserve better marks for that? If so, in what categories? It’s not an easy thing to decide.

June 14, 2003 at 1:57 am #5191
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I think that that is kinda covered in the “fun” category. But even if it isn’t, it could always be mentioned in the comments.

Cometgreen, who wrote this with one hand

June 14, 2003 at 8:49 pm #5244
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“legofred” wrote:
Maybe mentioned before, but what about a place where you can see the average rating for a directors movies? (Maybe it will cause people to give up and leave the community if they got a lot of low ratings…)

That is something that is totally against the nature of brickfilms.com (at least… it was). We’re here to help each other forward, not to scare people away.

That’s why switching off the rating is not a bad idea: some people might be put off from submitting it to the film directory, for fear of it being classified as bad. Admittedly, multiple categories will better reward that particular film’s values, but for first-time films this might be a tough decision. When are you ready to have your film judged?

The reviews as they are can be quite tough, but they never fail to point out positive aspects of a film (and you have to admit – every film that took some effort to create has some). We must take care to preserve this, perhaps by providing guidelines to the reviewers.

Stefan.

June 14, 2003 at 8:59 pm #5245
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Yolegoman

No offense to Hali at all… but I nearly gave up after the review I got for The Lion’s Paw… it was a perfectly fair rating, I know that now, but I was just crushed. (This was before I had joined the forums).

I then spent a lot of time filming silly clips with Indy in them, and started my 15 min Indy Movie, and released the trailer here. Acted like a complete idiot, even got Wanderers dander up lol!

But if it hadn’t been for him carefully pointing out EVERYTHING that was wrong with it (Not just saying it sucked, he pointed out everything individually and showed me what was wrong with it) I wouldn’t have started filming at 15 frames per second, or got a better cam.

Further influencing my climb up the ladder of film quality was the Horror Contest by Shootin Bricks and Mystic Studios.

I still consider Bricks of Doom my best (Released) film. Exp Mars might be better, but it hasn’t been released yet.

Anyway, I just thought I would share what ratings and reviews do for my learning process in the film industry.

So, this horribly off topic uhh… post I guess… has drawn to a close.

Yolegoman

June 14, 2003 at 11:13 pm #5262
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natethegreat86

I think another important category is replay value. how much the movie wants to make you want to see it again, and how much you DO enjoy it for the second or third or however many times.

June 15, 2003 at 12:20 am #5276
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legofred wrote:

Maybe mentioned before, but what about a place where you can see the average rating for a directors movies? (Maybe it will cause people to give up and leave the community if they got a lot of low ratings…)

wandrer2 wrote:
That is something that is totally against the nature of brickfilms.com (at least… it was). We’re here to help each other forward, not to scare people away.

It was just an idea, but yes, maybe it would scare people away, which is NOT good at all…

Fredrik

June 15, 2003 at 12:24 am #5277
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That’s why switching off the rating is not a bad idea: some people might be put off from submitting it to the film directory, for fear of it being classified as bad.

Thats why I mentioned my idea. Basically, when you search for a film you will not search by a high numerical rating, but rather keywords that indicate what a film did well. If you see “Creative” or “Original” in the description of a film, you can assume that that aspect is notable while everything else is average at best. Of course, everything would be outlined in the review, but at least this way people can’t just say “Well, I won’t watch anything with a rating less than 8.0″ and everyone truly has a chance for their work to be seen.(I am aware I mentioned a numerical rating in the my initial post, but that was really just a passing comment on a way to make a rating system fair)

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