SUMMER '08 – Ladon for Minister of Film Ratings

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December 24, 2007 at 8:23 am #356058
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Ladon

No problem :)

I only just realised it myself, the two perks of being a patron are ratings and the cool bar over your name in the forums.

I’ll see if that Rotten Tomatoes idea would work, so there will be an update on that soon.

-Ladon

December 24, 2007 at 8:48 am #356063
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Ladon

Update: Soon enough for you?

The supplementary simplified ratings system is completely possible apparently, so all I need to know is how many people would like this. I am not going to use it as a basis for my platform, because my platform has always been to give people what they want, or what they need. If enough people would like it, I will gladly make it happen for you.

-Ladon

December 24, 2007 at 8:54 am #356065
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Smeagol

Yeah, that could be a good idea. I believe in his campaign for minister of film ratings, Saulgoode suggested abolishing the current ratings system altogether and replacing it with something like that but nobody wanted to entirely eliminate the current system. I was going to suggest the same idea you’ve come up with (I visit rottentomatoes regularly) so I approve of the idea.

-Smeagol

December 24, 2007 at 8:07 pm #356201
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brianfast

So here is my interpretation of latest changes
- Non patrons can vote rotten tomatoes style (not much depth I’m assuming)
- Patrons and review panel members are still rating films by your rubric

Ladon, as long as patrons (especially 15 or 24 FPS) patrons are forced to rate by your rubric they are donating money and the only additional feature they receive is being able to give your style of ratings; they are essentially paying to rate movies according to YOUR standards. Not what they actually think the movie deserves.

December 24, 2007 at 9:44 pm #356237
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Ladon

Yes, you have interpreted my changes correctly.

they are essentially paying to rate movies according to YOUR standards. Not what they actually think the movie deserves.

Wow, all this time and you still don’t understand the point of the rubric. And I think you’re the only one!

The rubric is designed to ensure that everyone knows what they are rating on. There is still room for opinion, more than enough. But before the rubric, people were essentially rating according to whatever numbers they liked. For example, if a film was average, they would give it a 7! Why a 7? Because they figured that was average. Another person might have thought that a 4 was average! Another would have gone with a 5. There was no baseline for the final data, and so there was actually no way to tell what the rating meant.

With the rubric, you can actually look at what you’re ratings mean, and choose them accordingly. Yes, you can still trash a film if you’re that irritated by it. But at least now you know how :lol:

If you still don’t understand the rubric, then perhaps you shouldn’t be running to remove it…

-Ladon

December 24, 2007 at 11:06 pm #356246
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brianfast

:roll Mudslinging…..

You don’t understand my point. The criteria for what a film needs to get rating X is what I am complaining about. Patrons should be able to choose their own criteria instead of having to deal with yours. (which is awful)

Your rubric is a MESS.
According to your flawed rubric any movie with a FPS <15 deserves a 1 in quality. How many people open up virtual dub or something to find out the FPS anyway? According to your rubric a movie with 15 FPS, even if everything is unnecessarily fast because the framerate is too high and/or is plagued by set bumps is considerably better then a 14 FPS movie with everything perfect (It deserves a 0/1 according to you). Lots of movies are only available on youtube. Then there is no way to know the framerate.

Nobody who passed 3rd grade math would give an average movie a 7. You have absolutely no proof to back these ludicrous claims up with. As for people trying to figure out what the ratings mean, your rubric doesn’t even do very much. It is very flawed, as my FPS example shows and your rubric is harmful to movies that only satisfy one requirement to move up in ratings. And despite all your efforts to make this a black and white rubric, it is so black and white that lots of things are vague and extremely opinionated.

December 24, 2007 at 11:38 pm #356252
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Night Owl

According to your flawed rubric any movie with a FPS <15 deserves a 1 in quality. How many people open up virtual dub or something to find out the FPS anyway? According to your rubric a movie with 15 FPS, even if everything is unnecessarily fast because the framerate is too high and/or is plagued by set bumps is considerably better then a 14 FPS movie with everything perfect (It deserves a 0/1 according to you). Lots of movies are only available on youtube. Then there is no way to know the framerate.

Gosh, you’re picky. Remember, the rubric isn’t absolute. If a film is 12fps but well animated, any intelligent person will disregard the rubric description and give it a higher rating.

The rating rubric will never able to be one-size fits all, so complaining about it is pretty dumb.

December 25, 2007 at 5:00 am #356321
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Schlockading

“brianfast” wrote: Your rubric is a MESS.

Also, don’t forget one of Ladon’s main platforms for his re-election is to further refine the rubric system. I’m sure he’ll be open to your opinions about revising it at that point.

December 25, 2007 at 5:11 am #356325
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“Schlockading” wrote: [quote="brianfast"]Your rubric is a MESS.

Also, don’t forget one of Ladon’s main platforms for his re-election is to further refine the rubric system. I’m sure he’ll be open to your opinions about revising it at that point.[/quote]
He has had a year to fix it.As soon as the rubric was revealed people complained, he didn’t listen. Enough is enough.

December 25, 2007 at 5:21 am #356328
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Schlockading

Again, things can’t be fixed at lightning speed in any case. I don’t see anything in your campaign that could be carried out any faster.

December 25, 2007 at 8:11 am #356345
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Ladon

“brianfast” wrote: You don’t understand my point. The criteria for what a film needs to get rating X is what I am complaining about. Patrons should be able to choose their own criteria instead of having to deal with yours.

Wow…

I’ve asked you this before, and I guess I have to ask again; What do you know about accurate ratings?

December 25, 2007 at 8:13 am #356346
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Ladon

“brianfast” wrote: [quote="Schlockading"][quote="brianfast"]Your rubric is a MESS.

Also, don’t forget one of Ladon’s main platforms for his re-election is to further refine the rubric system. I’m sure he’ll be open to your opinions about revising it at that point.[/quote]
He has had a year to fix it.As soon as the rubric was revealed people complained, he didn’t listen. Enough is enough.[/quote]

Actually, I listened quite intently. And we fixed it. Now I’m running for re-election so I can keep working on it.

If people complained and asked for it to be removed (as you are implying) where are they?

If people want the rubric to stay, they will vote for me. If they really don’t like it at all, as you seem to think they don’t, then they will vote for you. I think we’ll have a definitive answer very soon :)

-Ladon

December 25, 2007 at 8:18 pm #356446
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brianfast

Oh really Ladon:
Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:58 pm

“brianfast” wrote: Ladon, can you please change the animation quality settings. Its the one that needs to most fixing by far. Saying anything 14 FPS or under is terrible isn’t very fair.

Other brickfilmers 2 cents:

“Quigibo” wrote:
The animation (quality) makes it sound like if your frame rate is under 15fps, than your film automatically gets a 2 or 3 for animation! Thats not very fair, because you can still archive great animation with a slightly lower frame rate.

“chosen1″ wrote:
Under “animation(quality)” I think you should remove the mentions of the framerate. We don’t need to be judging the quality of the animation on the framerate. What if the film was filled with jumps and bumps at 24 FPS? Who says all things under 15 FPS will be bad? Just write “Terrible animation” not “Below 15fps”.

There are more but I suggest you read your own topic once more if you cannot remember.

Ladon replied:

“Ladon” wrote: It will be first on my list of things to do when we start making changes. That won’t be for another few days, so hold tight :)

Well its been more then a few days hasn’t it? I have yet to see the changes you promised months ago.

December 26, 2007 at 12:40 am #356516
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Ladon

Yes, it has been more than a few days. Yes, I still intend to fix the issue. The rubric descriptions are still needing quite a lot of work, and I should have time to do it this term.

The issue I ran into before was that I had just started a new job, and I wasn’t having enough time to focus on the ratings system when I was at home. Now that the job is over, there shouldn’t be a problem.

Also, none of those comments imply that the ratings system should be removed. Where are you getting that idea?

December 26, 2007 at 6:34 pm #356628
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brianfast

People complaining doesn’t mean they want it removed altogether. They just want change.

But at this point I will let brickfilms.com voters decide what they want, although I have a feeling you will win simply because you are letting non patrons vote.

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