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January 14, 2008 at 1:44 am #361481
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“Lechnology” wrote: Ooh, question: If the focus is on story, then the medium doesn’t matter, right? Stop-motion, CGI, clay, etc. as long as it’s animation?

Come now, that question doesn’t even need to be answered. Who would dare challenge the authority of the prestigious Brickfilm?

Sure the primary focus is on story, but there’s a second focus on quality of production as well.

January 14, 2008 at 2:27 am #361489
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“Lechnology” wrote: Ooh, question: If the focus is on story, then the medium doesn’t matter, right? Stop-motion, CGI, clay, etc. as long as it’s animation?

MoB stands for Masterpieces of Brickfilming so what do you think? ;)

January 14, 2008 at 2:38 am #361497
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I haven’t posted in a while but I originally intended to enter in MoB but the development of my script took longer than I anticipated. I knew about crunching for deadlines as I made my first 5 minute film in two weeks and the quality wasn’t terrible. But I knew that when I finished my script I would be unable to complete the shooting never mind the editing of the film that I had planned. I had read that you (prof) planned on doing another MoB at the conclusion of the first and so I planned to begin production on my film after the terms of the second contest had been announced.

Thinking about this I though that it may be a good idea on two counts to have a screenplay/storyboard contest. Similar to what IDEA (I think :P )did with the trailer contest before the actual films were judged. It would both help people have finished scripts/storyboards on time and it would also help place the emphasis on storytelling that is what MoB is really all about.

Regarding the community project idea for MoB, I personally don’t like it. As An Old Ore said

they think “I helped make that” rather than “I made that”

And I must say that I feel the same. And while I cannot speak for others on this, when I come up with an idea or concept, a gag, or a sweet action move, if I’m not the one to animate it, do the special effects, foley and editing then it never turns out as I intended and I always watch it feeling like I could have done it better. And distances also help contribute to the misinterpretation factor. I think that a really good collaboration of brickfilmers requires either that they are able to meet face-to-face or that a lot of time and effort has been spent on coordination. For me the time spent on coordination is better used working on your own film. I like brickfilming because I can do it alone, if I wanted to do a group thing I’d make a live-action movie, just my take on the matter.

As to whether I’ll enter the next MoB, absolutely! As soon as the terms are announced/decided I’m ready to go to town and I’m sure that you’ll be able to get more than 3 entries on the next one though I think something more than a prolonged deadline will be needed to procure a decent turnout.

Thanks for coming up with the idea for MoB prof and for dedicating so much time and resources (namely $’s, 250$ is quite a remarkable amount from someone who doesn’t even like animating :P ), can’t wait for the next one. :D

January 14, 2008 at 3:09 am #361505
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Ferder

The contest should be no longer than one year. It gives too much time to procrastinate. Perhaps there should be sub-deadlines along the way like Story concept (what Ahnt mentioned with character, quest), Outline (intro, conflict, resolution) First draft, 50% animation completed etc. These deadlines could be more for guiding purposes, though and not strictly enforced.
One month before the deadline, all entrants could give a status report. If 80% of the entrants feel like they are not going to be able to finish, despite being well into (over 60%) shooting, the deadline could be extended by up to 2-4 weeks.

January 14, 2008 at 5:31 am #361534
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Lechnology

“prof1515″ wrote: [quote="Lechnology"]Ooh, question: If the focus is on story, then the medium doesn’t matter, right? Stop-motion, CGI, clay, etc. as long as it’s animation?

MoB stands for Masterpieces of Brickfilming so what do you think? ;) [/quote]I think I’ll take my story-driven sci-fi film to be created using CGI bricks elsewhere, just to be safe.

January 14, 2008 at 9:43 am #361550
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Dead-Eye

I also think that more than one and a half year would be too much. A year is a long time, too if you film constantly. My film has its flaws but about 50% was done in the last month.
I tell you that most people will not start filming now when there is so much time to the deadline, including me.
This MoB was okay in my opinion. Next time there will be more participans even if we don’t change the rules.

January 14, 2008 at 1:48 pm #361565
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“Ferder” wrote: The contest should be no longer than one year. It gives too much time to procrastinate. Perhaps there should be sub-deadlines along the way like Story concept (what Ahnt mentioned with character, quest), Outline (intro, conflict, resolution) First draft, 50% animation completed etc. These deadlines could be more for guiding purposes, though and not strictly enforced.
One month before the deadline, all entrants could give a status report. If 80% of the entrants feel like they are not going to be able to finish, despite being well into (over 60%) shooting, the deadline could be extended by up to 2-4 weeks.

Ferder, you’re making it sound like a school project now. Besides people work on their own pace. If they procrastinate too much, their fault.

January 15, 2008 at 5:34 am #361820
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“Droidimation” wrote: [quote="Ferder"]The contest should be no longer than one year. It gives too much time to procrastinate. Perhaps there should be sub-deadlines along the way like Story concept (what Ahnt mentioned with character, quest), Outline (intro, conflict, resolution) First draft, 50% animation completed etc. These deadlines could be more for guiding purposes, though and not strictly enforced.
One month before the deadline, all entrants could give a status report. If 80% of the entrants feel like they are not going to be able to finish, despite being well into (over 60%) shooting, the deadline could be extended by up to 2-4 weeks.

Ferder, you’re making it sound like a school project now. Besides people work on their own pace. If they procrastinate too much, their fault.[/quote]
I guess that’s because I’m at film-school at the moment and that’s how we’ve been churning out our films. It might be a method best left in the classroom though.

January 18, 2008 at 9:10 am #362381
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prof1515

“Ferder” wrote: [quote="Droidimation"][quote="Ferder"]The contest should be no longer than one year. It gives too much time to procrastinate. Perhaps there should be sub-deadlines along the way like Story concept (what Ahnt mentioned with character, quest), Outline (intro, conflict, resolution) First draft, 50% animation completed etc. These deadlines could be more for guiding purposes, though and not strictly enforced.
One month before the deadline, all entrants could give a status report. If 80% of the entrants feel like they are not going to be able to finish, despite being well into (over 60%) shooting, the deadline could be extended by up to 2-4 weeks.

Ferder, you’re making it sound like a school project now. Besides people work on their own pace. If they procrastinate too much, their fault.[/quote]
I guess that’s because I’m at film-school at the moment and that’s how we’ve been churning out our films. It might be a method best left in the classroom though.[/quote]

It has its merits but you’re talking about a situation in which the participants are in an academic setting. In such a case, the goal is not the finished film but the process. There is a arbitrary judge of their progress who has been determined as the authority to which the filmmakers are subordinate.

Professor/Instructor > Student

This is not the case in this community. The three judges in MoB were the ones who determined the winners but their guidance through the process was not part of the scheme for the very reason that they hold no greater authority than any of the filmmakers themselves.

In regard to a shorter time period, the problem many said nearing the end of MoB was that there wasn’t enough time to complete their film. There were several pages of people saying they needed “one more month”, two more, three, etc. If they couldn’t make their film in 15 months, shortening the time period certainly won’t alleviate that problem. If the source of their dilemma was procrastination, they could still procrastinate and come up short while those who honestly need the greater time would be prohibited from finishing due to inadequate time.

Extending deadlines has already been discussed before and is equally unfair to others while never able to satisfy everyone (ie, “I need one more month” versus “I need two more months” and so on). Hence, should I hold a second MoB, I’ll likely announce the decision to do so in March or so, affording 20+ months to work upon the film.

-J

January 18, 2008 at 9:16 am #362382
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prof1515

“Lechnology” wrote: [quote="prof1515"][quote="Lechnology"]Ooh, question: If the focus is on story, then the medium doesn’t matter, right? Stop-motion, CGI, clay, etc. as long as it’s animation?

MoB stands for Masterpieces of Brickfilming so what do you think? ;) [/quote]I think I’ll take my story-driven sci-fi film to be created using CGI bricks elsewhere, just to be safe.[/quote]

This question was answered back just after the original MoB was announced in September of 2006. The same answer applies, namely that this definition would suffice.

-J

January 20, 2008 at 5:38 am #363013
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James

I really wanted to enter the first MoB, but by the time that I noticed it, it was already the deadline to say that you are entering, and I knew I couldn’t make the deadline. A second MoB would be awesome, and I would consider entering.

January 25, 2008 at 12:54 pm #364913
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prof1515

Any further thought as to this discussion? I’m not detecting a consensus of opinion upon which to consider any modifications to a second MoB so there’s definitely still room for debate.

-J

January 25, 2008 at 5:46 pm #364981
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ahnt

Oh well,

this thought miht be a little offtopic, but I guess is still interesting for the question: How to improve brickfilming?

What about something like a seminar or workshop? We pic a topic for a short film or scene, and each participant writes a script or abstract about it. A week later we pool them read and analyse. And with different topics we repeat it, or everybody sees the same film and we all write a review.

I think something like this would definitely help everyone to improve and to learn waht is important and how things could be done.

I learned so much reading books from directors or scriptwriters and listening to audio commentary for films…

I know it is not directly correlated to MoB, but worth thinking about it.

Cheers Arend

January 26, 2008 at 9:37 am #365237
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Max Butcher

Well, i woul love to participate in MoB. If i can get some lovely CGI software; i Can make ‘The Time War’. Also, i need a better mic to record my voice.

February 6, 2008 at 8:53 pm #368950
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Stevie Collins

I agree that hardly any people came out with entrys to this contest, so I think it could be a good idea.
I won’t enter it but I wouldn’t mind helping out with organizing and the judging processure if this contest does happen.

-StevieCollins

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