WINTER '07 – Brianfast for Minister of Discussion

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December 18, 2007 at 12:15 am #354239
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brianfast

“Aled Owen” wrote: Based on the arrogance you have brought to this community I doubt anybody ‘ll be voting for you.

-Aled

Thanks for your great insight.

December 18, 2007 at 5:04 pm #354365
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Aled Owen

Your welcome :)

-Aled

December 19, 2007 at 11:50 am #354584
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Trillspots

“BertL” wrote: That’s not a rule though, LegosJedi. And neither is it always put in place. This caption, while in spoilers, does not give a warning. This one isn’t in spoilers at all. (To Robert Douchette and 34643464: it’s nothing personal or anything; I’m just trying to show my point.)

Relying on people’s common sense in order to keep things child safe isn’t a good idea on the internet.

Thank you, Bert.

As Bert said, it isn’t a rule – and brianfast obviously has no intention of making it so. Plus, if it’s there, in a spoiler tag, there’s nothing to prevent a 11/12 year old from clicking it. In fact, if there is a content warning, that’s honestly only going to pique curiosity and nearly ensure that they’re going to click it.

While, an 11/12 year old is developing into someone who should be responsible for their own actions, and decisions and keeping their minds and hearts untainted by bad content, they aren’t there yet psychologically, or developmentally.

That’s like saying “If we put a button next to this knife that we leave on the table that says ‘Don’t touch the knife’ when you push it, then that will deter the toddler.”

If we’re going to continue to allow 11/12 year olds on the forum (It’s a brickfilming forum, based on lego animation…It’d be a bit unrealistic to ban them or disallow them, even though technically you have to agree to a 13+ terms before joining the forum or have parental permission.) then doesn’t it seem reasonable to tailor the forum to that admission? Adults and older members are completely capable of restraining themselves from using bad language or adult content. It’s not going to hurt them at all, to refrain from making those references here. (There are adult forums that they can go to, if they’re so dead-set on using language.)

On the other hand, it is going to hurt children for them to repeatedly see those references and that language here. My 11-year old brother wouldn’t even know what the F-word meant if he heard it. While, not all 11 year olds are this innocent (which is unfortunate) we can’t go on the assumption that ‘modern culture has corrupted them, so we have no responsibility.’

I’m not even saying they’ve never heard these things before, but do we really want to reiterate them, and make it ‘okay’ for children to say these things in any situation? Do we honestly want the standard set so low?

I am the first to say that I don’t always keep my language clean, but I do try – especially on brickfilms, and in chat. (And around my siblings, at home.) If I need to rant, I talk to a friend, or leave the house, or go off by myself to use bad language.

Is it so burdensome to keep adult content out of a forum whose members start as young as 9/10? It is *necessary* to have language and sexual content in a forum about stop motion animation and lego’s at all?

I don’t want to see twelve and thirteen year olds excessively using language without batting an eye, and I certainly don’t want to contribute to something like that. (Personally, or as a forum.) Nor is it pleasant to hear kids so young talking so knowledgeably about ‘adult content’, despite the fact that most of them have absolutely no basis of experience…that just sets them up with the belief that it’s okay, and even expected, that they have these experiences as soon as possible.

While yes, perhaps a few people get a kick out of using bad language on the forum. For most it’s more a product of habit.

You seem to have very naive opinions on discipline/consequences/moderation. The definition of moderation is everything in a reasonable quantity.

“dictionary.com – Moderate” wrote: kept or keeping within reasonable or proper limits; not extreme, excessive, or intense: a moderate price.

How much experience do you have in child development to be able to talk on these things so authoritatively? How many children have you raised, or helped in raising? Or even had a significant part as an authority in their lives. (Babysitter once a week, helping out at a daycare, mentoring, whatever?)

-Trill

December 19, 2007 at 11:40 pm #354826
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brianfast

I think that such “offensive language” should be labeled as such and in a spoiler. But I’m not going to stop anyone from posting it in a spoiler or punish anyone for posting something offensive in a properly labeled spoiler.

December 20, 2007 at 9:02 am #354942
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Schlaeps

Clearly you read all the posts in the forums too. Excellent. I like that in a candidate for MoD.

December 20, 2007 at 4:17 pm #354992
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Legoman182182

I wouldn’t vote for you if you where the last candidate on earth. You have regular displayed your inability to keep a cool impartial head and just dived in to start a flame war in the almost all of threads I’ve seen you in.

December 20, 2007 at 9:02 pm #355088
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Tim

I say we’d take care of about 75% of our problems if we do the following:

  • Ban everyone under 13. [/*]

Anybody extremely sheltered younger than 13 shouldn’t be on this forum. I’m willing to bet you just about all of them will have no clue about anything we say. Why would you want a million extraneous threads on “lolz wut is light flicker”? Besides, most 13 year old kids shouldn’t even be on the internet. They should be riding a bike, reading a book, and educating themselves instead of wasting their precious, underdeveloped neurons chatting with frightening people like me and Revmen. When I was 12 I wasn’t allowed on internet forums. I went to kids.yahoo.com and played some stupid tetris game while munching on doritos. I don’t know what kids do nowadays. The standards are way lower than they once were. There should be censors for little kids from going on internet forums.

Kids should be online only with their kid friendly-browsers that censor big scary places like phpbb forums and porn websites where they encounter pedophiles. The fact that we promote little children to forums where anybody should be able to say anything is ludicrous. We don’t want these kids’ mind corrupted. What happens when their parents find their kids reading up on whether watching lesbians roughin’ it up is moral in the LD forum? I surely don’t want parents sending me emails, first that would be pathetic having a parent contact you over something online, second of all that would be a huge pain in the ass I MEAN REAR!!! to deal with.

There, problem solved.

December 20, 2007 at 10:22 pm #355116
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chosen1

Tim, I think you should run for MoD.

December 21, 2007 at 12:24 am #355153
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brianfast

“Legoman182182″ wrote: I wouldn’t vote for you if you where the last candidate on earth. You have regular displayed your inability to keep a cool impartial head and just dived in to start a flame war in the almost all of threads I’ve seen you in.

So you would prefer anarchy?

December 21, 2007 at 12:21 pm #355225
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Legoman182182

To you, yes.

December 21, 2007 at 5:39 pm #355294
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Trillspots

“Tim” wrote: I say we’d take care of about 75% of our problems if we do the following:

  • Ban everyone under 13. [/*]

How do you intend to do that? That’d just force these kids to lie as well.

My brother is 11, and has been getting into brickfilming. He’s extremely intelligent and would know what light flicker is. 10-13 year olds aren’t total idiots (Well, they are…but they aren’t unintelligent.) but they shouldn’t be exposed to adult content.

But is it our place to restrict them from pursuing hobbies, and developing friendships with other people of similar interests, and showing off their work? Discouraging younger kids from coming on brickfilms is just going to cause the art to die out eventually. And you surely can’t go to every child’s house and enforce the whole “go ride a bike!” theory. (Btw, if you ever do run for MoD — that’d be an awesome campaign slogan.)

I don’t think there’s “good solution” for a dilemma like this…

-Trill

December 21, 2007 at 5:42 pm #355296
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“Trillspots” wrote: [quote="Tim"]I say we’d take care of about 75% of our problems if we do the following:

  • Ban everyone under 13. [/*]

How do you intend to do that? That’d just force these kids to lie as well.

My brother is 11, and has been getting into brickfilming. He’s extremely intelligent and would know what light flicker is. 10-13 year olds aren’t total idiots (Well, they are…but they aren’t unintelligent.) but they shouldn’t be exposed to adult content.

But is it our place to restrict them from pursuing hobbies, and developing friendships with other people of similar interests, and showing off their work? Discouraging younger kids from coming on brickfilms is just going to cause the art to die out eventually. And you surely can’t go to every child’s house and enforce the whole “go ride a bike!” theory. (Btw, if you ever do run for MoD — that’d be an awesome campaign slogan.)

I don’t think there’s “good solution” for a dilemma like this…

-Trill[/quote]
Remember, Trill, this is Tim you’re responding to.

December 21, 2007 at 5:51 pm #355303
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Dave

I think banning is completely against the community principles of this site. I find the people running for MoD positions and using banning as a positive thing in their campaign to be poor choices. We’re supposed to accept people and guide them through this fun (and at first, hard) hobby. We shouldn’t be shutting people out due to a lack of tolerance or patience!

This is why I like the notions that brianfast is presenting, but I think that he can craft his plan a little better. Posting contradictory, one-sentence answers is not going to get you elected, brian, and there’s no denying that being arrogant about your campaigning isn’t going to attract any fans, either.

In short: every dozen has its bad eggs, but that shouldn’t matter. By accepting all and guiding people, we could have much more favorable outcomes than not accepting most of the people who come to this site!

The points that brian brings up are too minor to be tackled by one person in a leadership position… these are more like guidelines for the community. Everybody has to chip in and try their hardest to be patient and helpful. Brian’s ideas are insightful, but his approach is pathetic. Take what he is saying and do it yourself, brickfilmers. Vote for someone with bigger and better things at stake.

-Dave, who thinks that this “bad egg” shouldn’t be even considered for any Minister positions, anyway.

December 21, 2007 at 6:16 pm #355323
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Trillspots

I totally agree, Dave. I’m not sure who you were responding to – but Tim and I were both (I believe) more talking about the appropriateness of some of the content on the forum, and how it could be improved, because at the moment there are several things that I would be horrified if my 11 year old brother saw.

Which is honestly a shame, because he’s just developing an interest in brickfilming, and he’d gain a lot from being on the forums.

As far as banning goes, I believe it has it’s place. I don’t think we should ban every annoying member — but after a member has proved after a significant amount of ctime that they have no intent of changing, or leaving, and are bothering contributing members, I don’t think it’s unrealistic at all to ban them.

-Trill

December 21, 2007 at 6:19 pm #355324
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Dave

Yeah, I really don’t know who I was responding to. Just ranting is all.

-Dave

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