WINTER '08 – BertL for Minister of Truth

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December 19, 2007 at 10:17 am #354568
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JustaMinifig

In rerply to you,Night Owl,the voting is in winter ’08 so will be able to vote. :P

December 19, 2007 at 10:36 am #354571
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Trillspots

Winter ’08 is January/February. So, no you won’t. (But technically, voting is Winter ’07, January 26th-31st, and the terms begin Winter ’08.)

You will be able to vote for July elections though.

-Trill, Election Commissioner

December 20, 2007 at 3:34 pm #354980
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BertL

Still, even though you can’t vote for me yet I’m delighted to know I’m supported by you, JustaMinifig. It’s good to know people support my ideas. Regardless of whether they’re vote-able or not.

December 20, 2007 at 4:20 pm #354993
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chosen1

Now, to state for the records, me and bert are friends and this is in no way a form of attack.

Simply registering through the Encyclopedia will be disabled; instead, the person who wants to register needs to send me a PM in which the user will have to give his/her password of choice, and his/her e-mail address, so I can register that person. That way I can monitor all registering, and SPAM bots will not be able to register without me knowing it. This way, instead of deleting SPAM (which is the current system), all SPAM will be prevented. This tactic has proven to be working in the IBDB, which also suffered from vandalism and SPAM until I changed it into this.

I appreciate your concern about spambots, but there are other ways to rid them. Besides that, when reading this I can only see the haunting images of what was done with hostbrickmovies, even though it is a good service, it takes far too much time to register at times. An automated service is much better, and it helps support editing on impulse. If some one is new and wants to submit an article, instead of waiting for you to approve them they can just keep going and edit. Yes, there will be some problems, but as the curator you will need to take the responsibility to fix it.

Lastly, you would remove registering from the encyclopedia, but allow anonymous edits? Sorry, but that does not even make logical sense. If you are going to ban registering outside of screening through you, then you should ban the anonymous editing as well.

I strongly oppose the idea of a screening team or any form of manual screening, it is not needed.

December 20, 2007 at 5:07 pm #355011
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BertL

I appreciate your concern about spambots, but there are other ways to rid them. Besides that, when reading this I can only see the haunting images of what was done with hostbrickmovies, even though it is a good service, it takes far too much time to register at times.

I am fully aware that my proposed changes in the registration process has its downsides. Somebody who spots simple errors but isn’t registered on the Encyclopedia cannot edit them out quickly, that’s true. However, I am researching on alternatives. I’m planning of having some sort of mechanism that enables people to notify that a page has some errors that should be corrected (either through a MediaWIKI extension or the old fashioned “Contact the mod” way).

I’ll be honest: this alternative is not the ultimate replacement of the current “Click the EDIT button and get it out” procedure. However, I feel that the disadvantages of the current system outweigh those of my proposed system. In the case of SPAM/vandalism, it is much better to prevent it at once than to go through a lot of trouble clean it up afterwards.

I am online on daily basis, and as such it will take no longer than a day before the person would get his/her account on the Encyclopedia. The problems of the old Hostbrickmovies/Postbrickfilms registering problems were the cause of a too inactive moderator; a problem that I shall not reach.

Lastly, you would remove registering from the encyclopedia, but allow anonymous edits? Sorry, but that does not even make logical sense. If you are going to ban registering outside of screening through you, then you should ban the anonymous editing as well.

My original reasoning behind that was that all of the vandalism was done by registered users, and no vandalism through anonymous users. However, at the time I was making these plans I was not aware that anonymous users were already unable to edit pages. This has been pointed out, and I have said to maintain the current rules on anonymous editing.

I strongly oppose the idea of a screening team or any form of manual screening, it is not needed.

I’m afraid you’ve misunderstood me there, C1. I am by no means planning of putting people through some kind of “screening”. The only requirement one has to fulfill in order to get an account in the Encyclopedia, is that the person needs to have a Brickfilms.com forum account so he/she can send me a PM. When someone PMs me to ask for an account, he or she will get one, regardless of his/her reputation, age, experience or anything.

- BertL

December 20, 2007 at 5:15 pm #355017
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lil'jj

Heres my question: If a user feels something is needed on the encyclopedia that is not there, could they tell you and trust you’ll put it on?

Other than that you have my vote.

December 20, 2007 at 5:20 pm #355024
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BertL

“lil’jj” wrote: Heres my question: If a user feels something is needed on the encyclopedia that is not there, could they tell you and trust you’ll put it on?

Other than that you have my vote.

If the person doesn’t feel like doing it himself, I would start a basic article with room to expand.

December 20, 2007 at 5:36 pm #355027
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lil'jj

Excelent! You have my vote! :D

December 20, 2007 at 6:30 pm #355039
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JustaMinifig

Winter ’08 is January/February. So, no you won’t. (But technically, voting is Winter ’07, January 26th-31st, and the terms begin Winter ’08.)

Hmmm…That is a bit deceptive…isn’t it?This is provoking some hard thought…

December 21, 2007 at 12:55 pm #355228
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saulgoode

I think BertL would do a good job administering the Encyclopedia; however, I dislike the idea of a manual ‘approval’ system for would-be editors because it would discourage contributions. In my opinion, there is not that much spambot activity taking place — an overall average of about one incident per day with most incidents taking place in groups. Perhaps a capcha mods could be installed if it is not already (I haven’t needed to register lately :) ), but even if not, the burden of handling spam has not been that great.

December 21, 2007 at 1:24 pm #355235
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Aled Owen

Captcha for posting.

-Aled

December 21, 2007 at 4:29 pm #355273
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chosen1

Actually, there is another method that is much more efficient than captchas, and much less annoying. I’ve already talked to the administration about ways to have an automated system.

Currently, according to what I have been told, the only thing keeping bots from spamming is a validation link sent to the registered email, however it does not seem to be working.

If you do not like the proposed ideas here, perhaps you could check my platform out. To find a way to decrease spam in an automated form was one of my goals.

December 21, 2007 at 8:43 pm #355368
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Schlockading

Definitely don’t use captchas, especially if you have to do one for every time you edit or something. That would be extremely tedious and would discourage people from making edits, especially if they do it a lot.

December 25, 2007 at 6:07 pm #356421
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Treetah

I think that you’re the right man for the job.

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