WINTER '08 – Night Owl for Minister of Discussion

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December 16, 2007 at 12:37 am #353528
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Night Owl

I think I’ll be rather brief and to the point.

What experience do I have relating to my desired ministry?
Well, I’m an active brickfilmer, that’s for sure, as well as being a longtime visitor of the forums. I know the people here; they know me.

What are my ideas to expand or improve the Ministry?
I want to act in three main ways.

  • Appoint more mods.
    I’m for appointing a small dedicated group of moderators who would monitor the forums and the chat. Their job would be to point newbies in the right direction and delete unnecessary threads in the forums (if somebody posts a thread on which camera to buy, they can delete/lock the thread and send a PM to the author telling them where to look) and keep order in the chat. The brickfilms chat has become a very chaotic place recently, especially with the influx of younger members. I’ve seen situations where reasonable conversation is stifled by a load of nonsense. I’ve also seen people be quite mean to each other, which is something that really shouldn’t be happening here.[/*]
  • Help newbies find their way around.
    In accordance with some previous proposals, I want to replace the FAQ with a “Getting Started” forum, which would incorporate all the old FAQ articles, as well as useful information for newbies, showing them around the forums and providing some guidelines for behavior. Upon joining the site, newbies would receive a PM showing them to the Getting Started forum. This would clear up a lot of difficulties we’ve had on with newbies posting excess threads.[/*]
  • Reprimand or ban people who are causing trouble.
    What should we do if somebody is acting out of order? First, I’d reach out to them; try and get them to see the other viewpoint and change their behavior. If they really turn out to be actively trying to cause trouble, they’ll be banned. I also want to sort of have a chat with members who aren’t technically breaking rules, but who have been showing odd behavior (being particularly aggressive, picking on another member, etc). I don’t want people to be excluded on grounds of issues that could be resolved peacefully.[/*]

What unique character qualities would I be able to contribute to the Ministry?
I think I’m very good at communicating, which is vital in a position such as Minister of Discussion. I can be polite, but still be honest (some would call it blunt) at the same time. I also consider myself to be quite mature and able to judge a situation accurately in order to find a solution.

December 16, 2007 at 3:41 am #353608
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Squash

I very much like your plan to have a Getting Started forum. Many people have talked about this, but I you could get that system implemented, even if that was all you did, that would (IMO) be a great improvement to this forum.

December 16, 2007 at 4:48 am #353627
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Nick Durron

I pretty much agree with everything you’ve said, Night Owl. Appointing more mods is, I think, a fantastic idea, as well as creating a Getting Started forum. Hopefully it will appear more obvious than the FAQ, which no one ever seems to look at.

December 16, 2007 at 10:12 am #353671
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saulgoode

(if somebody posts a thread on which camera to buy, they can delete/lock the thread and send a PM to the author telling them where to look)

Would you please expand on this comment. Are you proposing that members seeking each other’s advice on camera purchases should be considered a violation of forum guidelines? Perhaps you could explain how you would express this change in the forum rules and guidelines so that members are aware of this policy change? What other topics are there that might be deemed off-limits and deserving of deletion or locking?

I don’t really follow the logic behind this and am interested in what to expect.

December 16, 2007 at 10:47 am #353676
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JustaMinifig

Excellent idea on the ”getting started”forum.You have some excellent viewson the banning and reprimandation of troublemakers.
You have my full support.

December 16, 2007 at 10:54 am #353678
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Lechnology

“Night Owl” wrote: Appoint more mods.

My suggestion for this is appointing people who can cover certain time zones where fewer mods are active. In the past, there have been spammers that cause quite a mess in the forum (one can recall an Order 13 incident that went on for quite a while before Dew came in to clean it, at least I think it was Dew). This would pretty much be like with the Review Panel, appointing more reviewers to get the directory submissions flowing.

However, can we trust you to appoint the right mods?

December 16, 2007 at 11:04 am #353680
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Night Owl

Absolutely. I’d appoint people who I know are mature, know the rules and standards of the site, and who won’t abuse the power they have.

Would you please expand on this comment. Are you proposing that members seeking each other’s advice on camera purchases should be considered a violation of forum guidelines? Perhaps you could explain how you would express this change in the forum rules and guidelines so that members are aware of this policy change? What other topics are there that might be deemed off-limits and deserving of deletion or locking?

I think that there are quite a few threads that don’t specifically against the rules, but clutter up the forums. We’ve been having a lot of threads in General Brickfilming lately that were pretty much copies of older ones. Of course people pointed that out, but others (newbies in particular) kept posting in them, so we had around 4 or 5 threads where one would have sufficed. This could have been solved by deleting the thread, sending a PM to the author, and moving their post to the proper thread (eg. from the now deleted “my set” thread to the “Let Me See Your Set” thread).
Of course I would alter the rules and guidelines to point that out.

December 17, 2007 at 9:43 pm #354191
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Leonardo812

Wow. Sounds pretty good, Night Owl. I like the idea of more mods, as well as the “Getting Started” idea.

And yes, the “General Brickfilming” thread gets very cluttered.

December 18, 2007 at 12:19 am #354244
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brianfast

Great, just ban everyone.

December 19, 2007 at 12:21 am #354498
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thebaloob123

Great, just ban everyone.

:?:

Why would anyone do that???

December 19, 2007 at 10:45 am #354572
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Trillspots

“thebaloob123″ wrote:
Why would anyone do that???

No one would, brianfast is just mudslinging.

“Dictionary.com” wrote:
mud·sling·ing
Pronunciation Key – [muhd-sling-ing]
–noun
an attempt to discredit one’s competitor, opponent, etc., by malicious or scandalous attacks.

Aside from malicious attacks, it’s also considered mudslinging to discredit someone by manipulation, and by making ridiculously overdramatic and sarcastic statements, so that people reading the thread pick up a general “bad vibe” about the candidate.

What candidates need to learn is that brickfilms.com voters are informed, and talk to each other — and candidates should run on their own merits, rather than the downfalls of others. (That just shows how poorly suited they are for the position, that they’ve decided the only chance they have is to discredit their opponents.)

-Trill, Election Commissioner

December 19, 2007 at 10:48 am #354573
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Night Owl

I’ve been thinking about harsher policies when it comes to arguing that is plain disrespectful to others.

December 19, 2007 at 11:29 am #354582
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Trillspots

“Night Owl” wrote:
I think that there are quite a few threads that don’t specifically against the rules, but clutter up the forums. We’ve been having a lot of threads in General Brickfilming lately that were pretty much copies of older ones. Of course people pointed that out, but others (newbies in particular) kept posting in them, so we had around 4 or 5 threads where one would have sufficed. This could have been solved by deleting the thread, sending a PM to the author, and moving their post to the proper thread (eg. from the now deleted “my set” thread to the “Let Me See Your Set” thread).
Of course I would alter the rules and guidelines to point that out.

You can point it out ’til your red in the face, but how exactly are you going to enforce that? Even disagreeing with the multiple threads (that usually already have multiple answers in multiple other places) how to you intend to regulate them? How is this really an enforcable policy? Because, even if they’re annoying – punishing the members for them is only going to earn brickfilms.com more of a reputation for being unhelpful. (Which, we had for a while when threads like that weren’t even getting answered, but sarcastically replied to and sent to resources.)

Do you see any way to get around this?

Could it maybe more of a priority issue? Is it more important to make the forums better for the senior members, or the new members, in your opinion?

I’m not trying to mean at all, sorry if I have come off as agressive. (I don’t know if I have, but I do that unintentionally sometimes.)

You have my full support, I’m just curious as to how you plan to implement this particular assertion.

-Trill

December 19, 2007 at 3:08 pm #354632
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Night Owl

Adding a clause to the rules concerning unnecessary threads (eg. “Moderators reserve the right to lock unnecessary threads and relocate the post to a relevant thread.”) would serve the purpose of making it part of the official policy of the (expanded) moderator team. It would be more of a formality, really.

Because, even if they’re annoying – punishing the members for them is only going to earn brickfilms.com more of a reputation for being unhelpful.

I don’t see it as punishing. New members make that mistake often, and I feel my solution is a nice way to rectify it, and one that benefits both the new member (their post is put in a relevant thread, so they join the discussion) and the rest of the community (less clutter).

Is it more important to make the forums better for the senior members, or the new members, in your opinion?

I feel that making it easier for new members will simultaneously make it better for senior members.

December 19, 2007 at 3:12 pm #354634
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Dave

Night Owl, I like your approach. You have my support.

-Dave

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