Winter '08 – saulgoode for Minister of Film Contests

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  • #354199
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    saulgoode
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    “Shale” wrote: How do you feel about time limits for official contests?

    Rules should never be arbitrarily instituted. They should be justified as contributing to the goals of the contest or the fairness of the competition. If a goal of a contest is to see how much story a filmmaker can compress into a brief duration, a time limit is certainly justified. Barring that, I would not particularly concede that a fifteen-minute brickfilm holds any competitive edge over a five-minute brickfilm.

    I don’t particularly see a need for a maximum time limit, contests with only a month or so notice would not afford an animator time for an extended film and the more major contests (such as HaV and IDEA) should be offering the filmmaker enough time to tell his story.

    “Shale” wrote: Also, if I were to post a contest, would I automatically have to put it in the “Contest Proposals and Discussion” forum even if I already had all the details and prizes worked out?

    No one will be prevented from posting in the “Contest and Film Festivals” forum, however, it will be moderated and inappropriate threads moved to the “Proposals and Discussion” forum. This is to allow for the announcement of film festivals and contests being held outside of Brickfilms.com (such as the Steinerei).

    If you have all your ducks in a row, you may post in the “Contests and Film Festival” but I would hope that you’d notify me first. I do not plan to dictate how or when your contest should be run (it is my goal to support those who wish to hold contests) but it would prove helpful to coordinate the scheduling and perhaps in some instances consolidate two different contests into a single event. At the very least, by contacting me ahead of time we can ensure that your thread is not moved and consider it for stickied status.

    #354207
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    Smeagol
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    I think you seem like a good man for the job, and I agree that the contests were not well-promoted. However I do think that the large number of contests detracted from the official ones. Assuming that the unofficial contests are properly supported and publicized, would you consider only one major official Brickfilms contest a year in an effort to improve participation and prizes? Most of the recent contests have had virtually the same prizes such that the amount of interest in them has steeped off with IDEA. Not to mention that IDEA prizes have yet to be awarded because both of the last two people put in charge of them have left the site.

    -Smeagol, who liked Watson’s platform but wonders where he went.

    #354208
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    Lechnology
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    “Lord_Of_The_LEGO” wrote: That is unfortunate. I am unsure now if I will submit a ballot for Minister of Film Contests at all, for I remain unsatisfied with all of the available candidates for this position.

    Keep in mind that in the end, it is up to the animator to decide whether or not to participate in these contests. N&C, THAC, the annual March-June Contest, these are pretty standard and you’re not obligated to participate in all of them, unless it is your imperative to partake in all contests every year.

    To me, that justifies Saul’s approach.

    #354210
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    Schlockading
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    I like your ideas, saul. In my opinion, the main problem with the contest forums and contests in general is that it is unorganized. This in turn is what is causing lack of enthusiasm towards entering contests. Better running of even the small contests is what we really need, and it seems like that’s what you’re going to do if elected. Sounds good to me.

    #354367
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    saulgoode
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    “Smeagol” wrote: However I do think that the large number of contests detracted from the official ones.

    The highest participation for official contests occurred back in 2003-4 when three major contests were run within a 10-month period (I didn’t include the Ten Brick Contest, but if you wish to consider it a major contest then make that “four contests in 14 months”). In the three years since, each of the annual contests have respectively seen 9, 13, and 10 entries (not really supportive of a trend either way). Exactly which time period in the history of Brickfilms are we supposed to examine in order to find support for your claim?

    A distinguishing factor which actually exists between those early contests and the more recent ones is that those early contests provided some nice awards such as the Audience Choice Awards and The Sisters Awards which were seen as accessible to a wider range of entrants, even if they felt their story, equipment, free time, or skill might not provide much expectation of winning overall. This was the motivational and inspirational feature which, when removed, resulted in less participation — not some revisionist history that there was greater participation back in a non-existent time when there were supposedly fewer contests.

    It would be my goal as Minister of Film Contests to re-institute the idea that Brickfilms contests are for ALL members, not just a dozen or so entrenched veterans annually vying for the title of High Priest of Brickfilms. Yet I would be reluctant to do this with the annual, summer, major, official, “convention” contest.

    I happen to think that FIG, HAV, and IDEA have fulfilled the goals which those contests have assumed. In each case, a dozen or so high-quality films have been submitted which were enough to support the needs of offering a showcase for the ambassadors to the respective “Brick” conventions and providing material for a DVD. I shouldn’t mind seeing more entries for the “annual” contest, but I don’t think that is the problem crying out to be solved by the Minister of Film Contests — and even it were, I reject that the solution would be the suppression of other contests.

    #354403
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    Krick
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    So far you have my vote. You handled the theora codec contest very professionally, and because of this it was a success.

    Most of the inferior contests are weeded out anyway due to low participation, or from the organizer being berated to tears. An imposed limit would be unwise.

    #354450
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    Night Owl
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    This is my big question.
    Since Watson seems to be missing in action, would you organize the BAMPAs on time if necessary?

    #354460
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    Smeagol
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    I agree that you did an excellent job on the TTC contest. Also, I would not support discouraging unofficial contests either.

    “saulgoode” wrote: In the three years since, each of the annual contests have respectively seen 9, 13, and 10 entries (not really supportive of a trend either way). Exactly which time period in the history of Brickfilms are we supposed to examine in order to find support for your claim?

    The early years. While the number of entries in early Brickfilms contests was about the same, (10 entries for the Classical Music Contest and 12 for the Historical Fiction Contest) I believe the community was substantially smaller at the time. I don’t have any data to back this up and could be mistaken, though I was a member of Brickfilms at the times these contests were run. But anyway, the number of entries is not the only factor to consider; plenty of us can churn out a decent short in 24 hours, and if we want to enter multiple contests (necessary to keep the number of entries up in each) the amount of time spent on each entry has to decrease. I cannot speak for everyone, and I don’t think everybody would agree with this, but I would choose one official contest with 10 entries (in which every entrant put their best effort into the film and spent a great deal of time) over three official contests with 10 entries each, most of them shallow one-joke films. APE was one such contest with a huge level of participation. I think THAC fills the need to have this kind of contest.

    A distinguishing factor which actually exists between those early contests and the more recent ones is that those early contests provided some nice awards such as the Audience Choice Awards and The Sisters Awards which were seen as accessible to a wider range of entrants, even if they felt their story, equipment, free time, or skill might not provide much expectation of winning overall.

    Yes, I agree that these kinds of prizes are a good idea. You make a good point in that some people may not be able to devote the kind of time to making large projects that the “vets” do, but I think that unofficial contests have done a reasonable job of supplementing this. I think with some prizes geared toward the less experienced entrants you could have the benefit of giving newbies a chance without dividing up entries or motivating the more experienced members to scale back so they can enter both contests. Contests for beginners are of course a possible solution, but either way I think it could be difficult to verify experience and decide who is eligible.

    It would be my goal as Minister of Film Contests to re-institute the idea that Brickfilms contests are for ALL members, not just a dozen or so entrenched veterans annually vying for the title of High Priest of Brickfilms. Yet I would be reluctant to do this with the annual, summer, major, official, “convention” contest.

    This does seem to be the trend, although good brickfilmers do not have to be experienced brickfilmers; Jay Silver and Cannedgravy both made amazing debut films.

    Sorry if I rambled on a bit, I don’t mean to clutter up your campaign thread. Thank you, I understand your ideas better now. You have my support. (Actually, you did before!)

    -Smeagol

    #354575
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    Trillspots
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    Saulgoode has requested that I discuss my concerns with him privately, so this post has been removed.

    -Trill, Election Commissioner

    #354615
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    saulgoode
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    “Krick” wrote: Most of the inferior contests are weeded out anyway due to low participation, or from the organizer being berated to tears. An imposed limit would be unwise.

    I agree with your assessment. It is my hope that by separating the recognized contests from proposals and discussions, there will be more leniency and freedom for those proposals and discussions. I would encourage brainstorming in the discussion forum without the requirement that the ideas shared be part of a fleshed out contest. A good idea should not be attacked because the timing is wrong; it should be recognized on its own merit and available for later consideration. In this way, good concepts from one contest might be combined with good concepts from another, resulting in better contests overall.

    “Night Owl” wrote: This is my big question.
    Since Watson seems to be missing in action, would you organize the BAMPAs on time if necessary?

    You will probably be disappointed when I say that I would not. I do not view the BAMPAs as currently falling under the purview of the Ministry of Film Contests and do not see a great benefit to the community to change that. I would not discourage others (including the original organizers) from continuing the BAMPAs, but my focus as Minister of Film Contests will be on next year’s brickfilming activities, not this year’s.

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